Perhaps Brux, the party can help out. But the strenght of the pet is undermined when you let it hunt in Brux. Ide say go too Frost salamanders and giants with a party of level 8's and 9's agianst a full spawn of 8/9 GC spawn, and see how your party does without the Erinyes. ;)
Odd place too be in Brux , Aslya her Erinyes carried our party yesterday thru Brux, Ice plane, too astral plane ( where it eventually met her match ), then we went Minorous where it was fine again, unless swarmed. We didnt see the 3rd form.
Sure, we kept on dying alot. but the amount of xp the Erinyes was racking in, made it very worthwhile.
I mean i could bring my buddies that where with me too the forum to support my point. We all thought it was stupidly powerfull. All of us combined couldnt evne take it out when it turned on us.
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*lookslikerain
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I don't have any experience whatsoever with demonologists yet, but I can solo those frost salamanders on my half fiend rogue and have been since level 8 or 9, and with more than 30 AC.wrote: A level 12 running around with a 180 HP Canian Erinyes, wich also even can be buffed to topping over 30 AC, i think is a bit rediculous. I seen one clean a 5 man party frost salamander GC spawn out all by itself without even coming close to being hurt. while the whole party lay dead on the floor.
The frost salamander mages can be absolutely devastating, since they seem to have polar ray and cone of cold which is a massive, massive amount of damage very fast on a failed save even with my 20 cold resistance, and against classes without evasion I imagine they only hurt a lot more and can easily wipe a party. But the rest of them should not be a real problem for a reasonably equipped group.
For a level 12 to solo them is perfectly reasonable in my experience. But I can't really see why you focus on the pet when literally all demonologist gets is that one pet and a small buff to their other summons. That is the entire PRC. Sacrificing spell power for a new pet as opposed to taking another caster PRC where they would gain spell power seems like a reasonable trade, especially if the pet doesn't scale further as they advance into epic levels.
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*Agony_Aunt
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Hmm... maybe the Demonologist needs a good old...
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Maybe summon duration needs dropping instead?
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Maybe summon duration needs dropping instead?
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*Ceremorph
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Sounds like Jambi has a point, and the erinyes summons need to be toned down a bit, particularly the low- and middle-tier ones. I would like to hear some feedback from someone with a Incubus summon (NE or CE) as well.
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*Jambi
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What could be done, as said is tune the pets a little more.
Or perhaps restrict the class too sorc/bard only, so the demonologist has too pick their spells more carefully, either more spells to buff the pet up and less offensive spells or vise versa.
Needing too pick school of conjuration, also makes a bit of sense. Since demonologists i guess need to have good training in conjuring stuff up. And in effect limiting the amount of buffs they can give their pets, wich results into a slightly weaker pet. But that could be worked around with, using wands instead i suppose. But that would rule out bards.
Anyways its way past bedtime for me. Ill take a good night sleep, and perhaps tomorrow ill come up with some others ideas too help out :)
Or perhaps restrict the class too sorc/bard only, so the demonologist has too pick their spells more carefully, either more spells to buff the pet up and less offensive spells or vise versa.
Needing too pick school of conjuration, also makes a bit of sense. Since demonologists i guess need to have good training in conjuring stuff up. And in effect limiting the amount of buffs they can give their pets, wich results into a slightly weaker pet. But that could be worked around with, using wands instead i suppose. But that would rule out bards.
Anyways its way past bedtime for me. Ill take a good night sleep, and perhaps tomorrow ill come up with some others ideas too help out :)
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*Agony_Aunt
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Erm... Undead != DemonJuurane,Feb 13 2015 wrote: I just have a quick question about the Demonologist.... Is a Warlock with The Dead Walk able to become one? Just curious, as it could be thematically cool to make a Hellfire Warlock who is also a Demonologist....
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*Aslya
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Well, I am the demonologist who made such a strong impression.
Let's get things clear, in a factual kind of way:
- The character is human.
- I rushed to be able to take my demonologist levels as soon as possible.
- I used 80% of my spells from each rest to buff it.
* Hence, I'm becoming my own pet's pet.
* The summons are strong, but does not level with your char. By my choice of getting it early and as human, I did have a powerful weapon. That, you can compare to an atrociously OP race such as vampire. About those races, you say "It'll even out". It's the same with those summons.
* Since the said experience is with a human wizard character (no ECL, numerous feats), keep in mind that an ECL race would get it much later, and it doesn't scale with the char class levels; it wouldn't be as strong. You cannot nerf it without making the PRC useless for those characters.
* The pet is equivalent to a ranger not built like a powerhouse (meaning, no frenzied berzerker or whatnot), with an ECL race, of some levels under my own. That a pet could get close to a player ( but the whole group had 3 and less ECL races; and with CRAPPY gear. 19 AC-in-the-astral-and-surprised-to-die kind of bad gearing. Hence the fact that some were feeling it to be too strong). The fact that a pet could rivalize with a player is shocking, some would say. Again, once my pet was buffed, I basically had nothing else to do. I was following and patching peoples with healing kits.
If I rolled a high ECL good race with a decent class, I would outdo that pet easily; I think the whole "OMFG that pet is outrageously OP" feeling is linked to the fact that the party was absolutely bad. Basically no magic gear and low ECL races (1 to 3).
Also, all the time, we were fighting favored ennemies of the pet; thats of some importance, even if not decisive.
I would like the staff to conduct tests and listen to players actually playing the class, and not teammates getting vocal about something they've got a very partial understanding of.
It's too early to talk about nerf or buffs; I feel it won't scale well, now that I got the final update and that, basically, from lvl 16 to 30, it won't get any update at all.
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On that note:
- It's not a free pet, it's a class feature you get sacrificing 3 caster levels, a class slot, and feats you wouldn't take otherwise. It's, also, what the class is meant to do, and it doesn't get much except that. Is it good ? Yes. Is it meant to be good ? I think so. For the OP part, see above.
- Nope. Again, between rests, I only had a few spells that I used against boss; against the salamanders, one firebrand and one isaac / rest, if I remember well. Now, it's better; but a dedicated nuker would make way better, as a matter of course.
- Well, yes, buffing the pet is the whole concept , isn'it ? It's not a warlock, you don't get illimited spells. What you use to do that, you don't for another purpose.
Let's get things clear, in a factual kind of way:
- The character is human.
- I rushed to be able to take my demonologist levels as soon as possible.
- I used 80% of my spells from each rest to buff it.
* Hence, I'm becoming my own pet's pet.
* The summons are strong, but does not level with your char. By my choice of getting it early and as human, I did have a powerful weapon. That, you can compare to an atrociously OP race such as vampire. About those races, you say "It'll even out". It's the same with those summons.
* Since the said experience is with a human wizard character (no ECL, numerous feats), keep in mind that an ECL race would get it much later, and it doesn't scale with the char class levels; it wouldn't be as strong. You cannot nerf it without making the PRC useless for those characters.
* The pet is equivalent to a ranger not built like a powerhouse (meaning, no frenzied berzerker or whatnot), with an ECL race, of some levels under my own. That a pet could get close to a player ( but the whole group had 3 and less ECL races; and with CRAPPY gear. 19 AC-in-the-astral-and-surprised-to-die kind of bad gearing. Hence the fact that some were feeling it to be too strong). The fact that a pet could rivalize with a player is shocking, some would say. Again, once my pet was buffed, I basically had nothing else to do. I was following and patching peoples with healing kits.
If I rolled a high ECL good race with a decent class, I would outdo that pet easily; I think the whole "OMFG that pet is outrageously OP" feeling is linked to the fact that the party was absolutely bad. Basically no magic gear and low ECL races (1 to 3).
Also, all the time, we were fighting favored ennemies of the pet; thats of some importance, even if not decisive.
I would like the staff to conduct tests and listen to players actually playing the class, and not teammates getting vocal about something they've got a very partial understanding of.
It's too early to talk about nerf or buffs; I feel it won't scale well, now that I got the final update and that, basically, from lvl 16 to 30, it won't get any update at all.
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On that note:
- Yes, true, gold is not necessary with a low lvl demonologist; that's the whole idea, making the pet do the dirty work. Again, we speak about a spellcaster, it's normal. A cleric wouldn't need more than a wisdom amulet for good measure, and would buff itself way above what you can buy as equipment. It's only one exemple amongst many.wrote:TL:DR
On low level 0-~18
Demonologist can level without having too spend a penny.
Demonologist gets a free pet, that is more powerfull then other henchman affordable/available at that level.
Demonologist itself is a functioning damage output source. ie isaac's.
Demonologist inherit base class allows them too protect their henchman from harm. ie Mind-Affecting buffs.
- It's not a free pet, it's a class feature you get sacrificing 3 caster levels, a class slot, and feats you wouldn't take otherwise. It's, also, what the class is meant to do, and it doesn't get much except that. Is it good ? Yes. Is it meant to be good ? I think so. For the OP part, see above.
- Nope. Again, between rests, I only had a few spells that I used against boss; against the salamanders, one firebrand and one isaac / rest, if I remember well. Now, it's better; but a dedicated nuker would make way better, as a matter of course.
- Well, yes, buffing the pet is the whole concept , isn'it ? It's not a warlock, you don't get illimited spells. What you use to do that, you don't for another purpose.