Just like Jach, my chaotic evil started out bashing people. Well.. my character still bashes people frequently, gets arrested frequently and makes far more enemies than allies. Her trick to doing this is that she simply doesn't care if she gets arrested, so long as they can't push an execution order on her, what's a few days or weeks in a cell? She can still operate her evil organization from inside, why not defend her reputation by tearing down weaker beings in broad daylight for the smallest of reasons just to make overt examples of why people shouldn't annoy her?
In my opinion, playing a truly overt evil character isn't as liberating as it is sacrificial. I design my characters to be strong in some ways, weak in others, allowing "good to triumph in the end" but only if they're willing to work really hard for it.
Over the years I've found out that if you want to make CE work for a PC, as has been pointed out, throw the sterotype out the window. A Saturday morning cartoon villain who get beat down and run away yelling "Curses! I'll get my revenge!" while waving their fist at the idiotically laughing heroes who really have no reason for the maniacal giggling other than further humiliation toward their fallen foe just simply doesn't work for a PC for long (usually).
There are many forms of evil, when it comes to Chaotic Evil you're opening the floodgates and presenting whatever facet of evil you find interesting, you can plot quietly in the background moving people like pieces on a chessboard to arrange situations that only make sense to you or bash heads and destroy taverns while pillaging your way from one place to another until brought down. Both can fall within the realms of Chaotic Evil, the hardest part about it is avoiding the "Chaotic Stupid" role. Being an evil berserker doesn't necessarily mean you have to fly off in an uncontrolled rage for no reason, in fact it could mean quite the opposite. Your character could be learning to control and direct his rage toward an overall goal.
Goblins to Red Dragons, chaotic evil is all over the place in fiction and any of them could act as an example in how to play it as a PC. The best advice I can give is to ally your character to another who seems to be dark inclined until your character has amassed the power to either betray his master or strike out on his own with his master's permission to become a part of that master's overall scheme without knowing it.
Luckily on this server there is a thriving merchant population and you could mortgage your future to further your present by finding the ones willing to provide powerful items on loan for future profit. Enough strong gear and you can easily make it alone until mid-range levels which is strong enough to pay back whatever debts you've amassed then play openly however you feel.
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*deusex2
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Just remembered there were few, particulary good strips about chaotic evil alignment in that comics:)
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0605.html
Start with the second part of this page and next full page.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0605.html
Start with the second part of this page and next full page.
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*Lost and not Found
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Personally, I'm a big fan of Chaotic Evil Scientists. Important note: the word scientist is used in a very loose context here. For example, we could have a character with an immense desire or thirst for acquiring more knowledge. This character could be interested in finding out how the mortal, or immortal bodies actually function. More specifically, the character could study if the bodies are like finely tuned clockwork products or a strange sum of missplaced bowels through dissection and taking down careful notes of what the body can or cannot live without. The Planescape setting would provide an ideal environment for this, since the planes are filled with creatures nothing alike the generic ones found on the more common prime-worlds.
If you ask me, the above would feel far more appropriate to a character that is used to maiming things as his profession, rather than to your avarage wizard or a cleric who rarely gets their own hands dirty. ( I'm the sort of fellow who refuses to have "int" as one of the dumb stats. ) In addition, I would monkey what every one else have been saying, on top of being one sadistic bastard, this chap could be rather charismatic, capable of holding a glass on a dinner party, and even outright lovable, just as long as a berk doesn't end up on his cold metallic operation slap.
( As for class combination, a Fighter / FB / BG could work out quite nicely. )
Image of a berserker? This one is actually 4th edition Tempest fighter, but it fits my image of a berserker: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... rrillo.jpg
If you ask me, the above would feel far more appropriate to a character that is used to maiming things as his profession, rather than to your avarage wizard or a cleric who rarely gets their own hands dirty. ( I'm the sort of fellow who refuses to have "int" as one of the dumb stats. ) In addition, I would monkey what every one else have been saying, on top of being one sadistic bastard, this chap could be rather charismatic, capable of holding a glass on a dinner party, and even outright lovable, just as long as a berk doesn't end up on his cold metallic operation slap.
( As for class combination, a Fighter / FB / BG could work out quite nicely. )
Image of a berserker? This one is actually 4th edition Tempest fighter, but it fits my image of a berserker: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... rrillo.jpg
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*MadPorthos
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Chaotic evil viking type... well, I know you got a lot of advice already, but I just had to think about this. So, you satisfy your needs and wants without caring about other's needs and wants, who you step on to get it. Well that's fine. But you do consider all your OWN needs and wants, if you have half a brain...
So if today you look up and say mmmmmhhhmmm, I like that sword at the vendor, I think I'll just take it. Sure, nothing is stopping you. But Chaotic Evil does not mean you have no concept of how the world works and consequences. You may not care about consequences to others... and you may be powerful enough that no one can touch you so there are no immediate consequences to you, but someone who's chaotic evil might be filled with many Different needs and urges.
Example, Mr. Viking wants the sword, starts to walk over, says hey, gimme... or just reaches to take, but there's a fella in the area that he's sure is the merchant's friend. This fellah helped Mr. Viking out in the Abyss just the other day and Mr. Viking has enough smarts to know that if this fella sees him grabbing the sword, he's not going to be gettin his services in the abyss next time. Suddenly the sword ain't so important, and Mr. Viking turns to a new object of his fancy, the seductive woman who just walked by...
...fifteen minutes later, Mr. Viking is still waiting to do evil deeds to the seductive lady, but she's still talking with that Paladin that beat the Viking up last week. Surely there's something more interesting for the frustrated CE Viking to do... wanders off to kill Goblins in the undersigil where no one cares about his violence.
So if today you look up and say mmmmmhhhmmm, I like that sword at the vendor, I think I'll just take it. Sure, nothing is stopping you. But Chaotic Evil does not mean you have no concept of how the world works and consequences. You may not care about consequences to others... and you may be powerful enough that no one can touch you so there are no immediate consequences to you, but someone who's chaotic evil might be filled with many Different needs and urges.
Example, Mr. Viking wants the sword, starts to walk over, says hey, gimme... or just reaches to take, but there's a fella in the area that he's sure is the merchant's friend. This fellah helped Mr. Viking out in the Abyss just the other day and Mr. Viking has enough smarts to know that if this fella sees him grabbing the sword, he's not going to be gettin his services in the abyss next time. Suddenly the sword ain't so important, and Mr. Viking turns to a new object of his fancy, the seductive woman who just walked by...
...fifteen minutes later, Mr. Viking is still waiting to do evil deeds to the seductive lady, but she's still talking with that Paladin that beat the Viking up last week. Surely there's something more interesting for the frustrated CE Viking to do... wanders off to kill Goblins in the undersigil where no one cares about his violence.
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*Lost and not Found
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I think the goblins might, but it would pose a wonderful opportunity to study the physical properties of the goblin heart. [Nod, nod.]
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*Esfir
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This works for me and it's more of a 'general' thing but it usually gets me unstuck.
I find it much easier to RP the flaws and fears of a character rather than the race and class, it's hard to bring something new to simply say, an aloof elven bard without type casting yourself. For example, instead of 'Depressed Elven Bard' as a synopsis of your character, how about 'Elven Bard who is afraid their art is uninspired and cliche' something everyone can relate to and it's easier to RP, not only that you've just given yourself a reason to improve. Something that always keeps me interested as well is making a character who was greatness thrust upon them, rather than aspiring for greatness, for example someone who used to be a bartender, is now forced into a life of adventuring which means they have to overcome what they fear and develop their natural abilities.
For a Barbarian character, perhaps he wasn't always a Barbarian, he raged one day and destroyed something close to him, despite years of trying to overcome his blood lust he's still the same monster within. He's desperate to change, but there is something inside of him that makes him compelled to destroy, over his journey he either has to overcome and control his rage, or come to terms with it and become the destroyer he is destined to be. At least that's an aspect of barbarians I haven't seen yet, the almost repentant one, a lot of barbarian characters seem to start in full control of their 'rage' which doesn't make sense to me as it would be much more fun to roll a will save and say, anything under 15 he gets closer to rage, worst of three and he's smashing things?
Just a few thoughts, and just woke up so it's probably a bit disjointed!
I find it much easier to RP the flaws and fears of a character rather than the race and class, it's hard to bring something new to simply say, an aloof elven bard without type casting yourself. For example, instead of 'Depressed Elven Bard' as a synopsis of your character, how about 'Elven Bard who is afraid their art is uninspired and cliche' something everyone can relate to and it's easier to RP, not only that you've just given yourself a reason to improve. Something that always keeps me interested as well is making a character who was greatness thrust upon them, rather than aspiring for greatness, for example someone who used to be a bartender, is now forced into a life of adventuring which means they have to overcome what they fear and develop their natural abilities.
For a Barbarian character, perhaps he wasn't always a Barbarian, he raged one day and destroyed something close to him, despite years of trying to overcome his blood lust he's still the same monster within. He's desperate to change, but there is something inside of him that makes him compelled to destroy, over his journey he either has to overcome and control his rage, or come to terms with it and become the destroyer he is destined to be. At least that's an aspect of barbarians I haven't seen yet, the almost repentant one, a lot of barbarian characters seem to start in full control of their 'rage' which doesn't make sense to me as it would be much more fun to roll a will save and say, anything under 15 he gets closer to rage, worst of three and he's smashing things?
Just a few thoughts, and just woke up so it's probably a bit disjointed!
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*Lost and not Found
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And it is worth to note that the medieval knights were noble, but on the battlefield it was strength that determined the winner. Same could be said of the samurai who read poems about sakura leaves and slaughtered men on a battlefield.
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*xUberdooMx
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Hmm. I like that.MadPorthos,Mar 28 2010 wrote: Chaotic evil viking type... well, I know you got a lot of advice already, but I just had to think about this. So, you satisfy your needs and wants without caring about other's needs and wants, who you step on to get it. Well that's fine. But you do consider all your OWN needs and wants, if you have half a brain...
So if today you look up and say mmmmmhhhmmm, I like that sword at the vendor, I think I'll just take it. Sure, nothing is stopping you. But Chaotic Evil does not mean you have no concept of how the world works and consequences. You may not care about consequences to others... and you may be powerful enough that no one can touch you so there are no immediate consequences to you, but someone who's chaotic evil might be filled with many Different needs and urges.
Example, Mr. Viking wants the sword, starts to walk over, says hey, gimme... or just reaches to take, but there's a fella in the area that he's sure is the merchant's friend. This fellah helped Mr. Viking out in the Abyss just the other day and Mr. Viking has enough smarts to know that if this fella sees him grabbing the sword, he's not going to be gettin his services in the abyss next time. Suddenly the sword ain't so important, and Mr. Viking turns to a new object of his fancy, the seductive woman who just walked by...
...fifteen minutes later, Mr. Viking is still waiting to do evil deeds to the seductive lady, but she's still talking with that Paladin that beat the Viking up last week. Surely there's something more interesting for the frustrated CE Viking to do... wanders off to kill Goblins in the undersigil where no one cares about his violence.