Malar's Spirit shaman/monk doesn't work? unarmed strike is the deity's favourite weapon anyway...
I would just play a 2 monk/ 10 SF/ 18 SS...
Or if you don't mind butchering Shadow dancer class, 1 monk/ 10 SF/ 18SS/ 1SD...
I just like full caster levels for some reason... Longer storm avatar, better SR, harder to be dispelled and so on and so forth, plus the 50% concealment of SS... something like that.
More like caster than monk. :P
But this all has nothing to do with being dragon... sorry....
Dragon Clan Monk Build Challenge
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*Lucereflame
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Ive Decided ill Go Monk Cleric.. sacred Fist.. Though i need to Figure out what spell domains im going to set up with
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*Product of Void
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if 9th level spells I would say.
Time (haste level 3 +2 feats = persistent haste) and Earth for toughness
Time (haste level 3 +2 feats = persistent haste) and Earth for toughness
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*Ultimabob
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a cleric keeeps battletide up 24/7 so doesn't need haste. But with strength I think you can get persistent divine power...However that means with the bug that if it is dispelled, you can't recast and get the ab boost until 24 hours or rest...
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*StealthedAssailant
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Spirit Shaman only works in the OC, it's not functional on 99% of the PWs out there, because the admins either think their abilities are gay or too bugged or messed up to deal with in a multiplayer environment.
If you want it for only title, to show up on your character sheet, by all means take the class and RP your heart out with that as a badge of honor. But I can RP the same exact character that you are describing with any other more power and more viable monk build since no one else looks at my character sheet except me and the occassional DM.
Playing a deeply spiritual character does not mean that they have to have a broken class to make it authentic in my opinion. That's what RP can fill in. Again, I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with playing a hybrid Spirit Shaman/monk, I'm just saying you don't need the class to make your characters RP any more authentic.
I personally, like to be able to contribute to groups or have the ability of my character to be "reasonably" self sufficient because I like combat and to earn some xp through it as well as through RP. Some people play hardcore and build on how their character reacts and grows with their environment no matter how unoptimal their build maybe because they are satisfied with the social aspect of RP over the combat aspects.
It really boils down to what makes you happier when you log on and what are your goals with the character you are creating.
If you want it for only title, to show up on your character sheet, by all means take the class and RP your heart out with that as a badge of honor. But I can RP the same exact character that you are describing with any other more power and more viable monk build since no one else looks at my character sheet except me and the occassional DM.
Playing a deeply spiritual character does not mean that they have to have a broken class to make it authentic in my opinion. That's what RP can fill in. Again, I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with playing a hybrid Spirit Shaman/monk, I'm just saying you don't need the class to make your characters RP any more authentic.
I personally, like to be able to contribute to groups or have the ability of my character to be "reasonably" self sufficient because I like combat and to earn some xp through it as well as through RP. Some people play hardcore and build on how their character reacts and grows with their environment no matter how unoptimal their build maybe because they are satisfied with the social aspect of RP over the combat aspects.
It really boils down to what makes you happier when you log on and what are your goals with the character you are creating.
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*Product of Void
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level affects dispelling so if your 21 levels with practiced caster takes mordikans disjunction to remove buffs.
Thing is with two stats you will be a buffing caster or use spells with no saves dc will never be high enough to go offensive.
cleric has a sweet perk domains it also has turn undead so if you take power attack you can then take divine might/divine sheild so while your FS boost chrisma for more spells you can have longer duration and bigger amounts of AC /damage. There is other perks too.
being able to change your bab to that of a fighter basically +30 instead of what you get as a monk/druid what ever is a major perk of cleric spells.
Foundation of stone to avoid knockdown slows down if no freedom of movement cast before Just as casting the undead something to be immune to crits/sneaks only minus stats if death ward is not cast first.
There is reasons why I agree with lost that divine casters = the cheese.
Thing is with two stats you will be a buffing caster or use spells with no saves dc will never be high enough to go offensive.
cleric has a sweet perk domains it also has turn undead so if you take power attack you can then take divine might/divine sheild so while your FS boost chrisma for more spells you can have longer duration and bigger amounts of AC /damage. There is other perks too.
being able to change your bab to that of a fighter basically +30 instead of what you get as a monk/druid what ever is a major perk of cleric spells.
Foundation of stone to avoid knockdown slows down if no freedom of movement cast before Just as casting the undead something to be immune to crits/sneaks only minus stats if death ward is not cast first.
There is reasons why I agree with lost that divine casters = the cheese.
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*chengc02
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Didn't have time to type the last post, so....
Well, but Spirit Shaman somehow fit the character more... in turns of Karma and spirit.
Also, it also has Spirit Form and Spirit Journey compare to druid's shape change and elephant hide/oak resilience.
The reason for why full caster level is my choice is because you also get higher owl's wisdom ((+15 total!)), as well as better SR spell instead of the monk's class SR... And tortiose shell((extra high natural armour after you have got all your +5...))! Plus the knock down immune foundation of stone and storm avatar...
Anywho... I can't think of other stuff to add now... :P
Well, but Spirit Shaman somehow fit the character more... in turns of Karma and spirit.
Also, it also has Spirit Form and Spirit Journey compare to druid's shape change and elephant hide/oak resilience.
The reason for why full caster level is my choice is because you also get higher owl's wisdom ((+15 total!)), as well as better SR spell instead of the monk's class SR... And tortiose shell((extra high natural armour after you have got all your +5...))! Plus the knock down immune foundation of stone and storm avatar...
Anywho... I can't think of other stuff to add now... :P
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*Product of Void
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max you get is +12 to stats So caster over 24 no help there.
SS neat feature is at level 19 of bounce back. Though that limits how many levels of other stuff. While druid gets oaken skin at level 12.
SS splits the stats Druid/cleric do not.
I know there are a few SS's out there hints? ideas?
SS neat feature is at level 19 of bounce back. Though that limits how many levels of other stuff. While druid gets oaken skin at level 12.
SS splits the stats Druid/cleric do not.
I know there are a few SS's out there hints? ideas?
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*StealthedAssailant
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SS monks are too easily dispellable to be effective because of the split in their Chr/wis. You are either going to have no spells to cast from or not enough DC to make them last against a simple dispel magic in which MANY creatures use in this PW. You will also not have any back-up (no SD/HIPS levels means no escape after being dispelled of all your defenses and buffs).
What is really unoptimal about this kind of monk build is that it depends on splitting stats at least threeways to be mildly feasible. Monk needs dex and wis which can be a good synergie with Monk/Cleric since you get the Dex bonus with finesse weapon as BAB, as well as dodge AC and wisdom adds to your AC and both your cleric casting levels and DC's. Couple that with cleric progession of a SF plus all the enhanced monk abilities makes you a machine, which I think you already realized hence you chose to go Monk/cleric/Sacred fist/....?
Spirit Shaman is as good as a favored soul but it's much more optimal and viable without the monk levels imo. But I felt that the class was thrown in just as a flavor class to add to the storyline of the OC while there are ALOT more deserving, balanced and appropriate classes to be added over SS such as Mystic Theurge. :P
What is really unoptimal about this kind of monk build is that it depends on splitting stats at least threeways to be mildly feasible. Monk needs dex and wis which can be a good synergie with Monk/Cleric since you get the Dex bonus with finesse weapon as BAB, as well as dodge AC and wisdom adds to your AC and both your cleric casting levels and DC's. Couple that with cleric progession of a SF plus all the enhanced monk abilities makes you a machine, which I think you already realized hence you chose to go Monk/cleric/Sacred fist/....?
Spirit Shaman is as good as a favored soul but it's much more optimal and viable without the monk levels imo. But I felt that the class was thrown in just as a flavor class to add to the storyline of the OC while there are ALOT more deserving, balanced and appropriate classes to be added over SS such as Mystic Theurge. :P
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*Product of Void
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First compare Cleric spells to Druid spells. If comparing SS to FS.
Druids might get owls wisdom to boost the wisdom stat to +12 max. They have to take a feat to get immune to crits.
Cleric spells can get fighter bab, boost strength by six, cast a spell to be immune to crits.
Spell casting
Spirit shaman must have 19 wisdom to cast level 9 spells and dc is chrisma based. So if just a buffing build forget charisma.
Favoured soul Must have charisma 19 to cast level 9 spells dc is wisdom based. So if a buffing build you forget wisdom and go for charisma.
While they are mutated versions of druid/cleric they are very different. Many features of cleric spells are affected by charisma, or 3 major feats that would require mixing cleric,blackguard,paladin to get are charisma based. Meaning favoured soul got some sweet perks to it for building something uber.
Druids might get owls wisdom to boost the wisdom stat to +12 max. They have to take a feat to get immune to crits.
Cleric spells can get fighter bab, boost strength by six, cast a spell to be immune to crits.
Spell casting
Spirit shaman must have 19 wisdom to cast level 9 spells and dc is chrisma based. So if just a buffing build forget charisma.
Favoured soul Must have charisma 19 to cast level 9 spells dc is wisdom based. So if a buffing build you forget wisdom and go for charisma.
While they are mutated versions of druid/cleric they are very different. Many features of cleric spells are affected by charisma, or 3 major feats that would require mixing cleric,blackguard,paladin to get are charisma based. Meaning favoured soul got some sweet perks to it for building something uber.