So Many Women.

[*Jelkia]

Ah think in Sigil... evil an good tend ta get relaxed ah lot on both sides cause ah tha setting. Usually they'd be causin trouble wit each other on ah prime cause both sides es tryin ta out do tha other. Good wants ta be superior an Evil wants ta be superior.

But in Sigil good an evil aint gotta figure out who's superior. Tha Lady es superior in Sigil... an if ya start ah pissin contest then she's gonna turn inta ah strong gust ah wind real damn quick.

So ah think over time Evil an Good sorta jus realized Sigil es ah place where ya gotta set some.. if nah most ah... yer zealotry an evil evil dark dark aside an try ta get along ta some degree cause yer normal prime based scuffles ah jus get ya flayed er mazed in tha city.

Long enough bein in tha sorta society... an fer tha sake ah tha Sigil civilization.. ya rub elbows wit tha folks around ya. Even if ya don agree wit em an if ya'd be at serious odds on ah prime. Tha's jus Sigil.

Ah understand wha yer sayin bout paladins. But ah don see how ah paladin could thrive in Sigil any how. Their rules would get em killed in ah cycle er two by tha Lady if they're played right. They tend ta have their intolerant jerk volume set ta 11

Edit - Now.. maybe we could use ah DM playin tha Lady ah bit more? Put tha proper fear ah "Her Grace" inta tha PC's like et outta be?

[*DarkPerin]

Just so I understand. You want DMs to keep tabs on who people are ERPing and give them consequences based on it, while simultaneously you don't want to encourage ERP only spend more time at it? :P Or only suggesting it?

I want DMs to make any OBVIOUS, lore breaking action, to come with a slight consequence. It is pretty obvious for a lot of these people. Lots of them will openly talk about how they have a thing going with the devil down the block, etc. Or at least to let them know, that something like a paladin, will become fallen if they continue on their current path. People will then have to decide if being a paladin is more important to them, or their character, than whatever other act they were about to be a part of. If anything, this will give RP more depth.


@Jelika: Actually, Paladins do just well in Sigil. What happens, is they generally fight through more legal means, or otherwise end up arrested by the Harmonium. In which case, someone like a Guvner, whom is of like mind, might let the Paladin free. If the Paladin gets, say a Black Guard of Bane, a Lawful Evil character, then more likely, that character is going to give them a prison sentence. There is a lot of Politics involved in Sigil.

[*Mr_Otyugh]

Well good luck selling that idea. Doubt it'll happen, DMs probably are not going to be interested in touching that topic. And only more time will be spend on the topic of ERP rather than the opposite, which is the actual effect you wanted. Again you're having the completely wrong approach to the topic, you're continuing with the "stop it" mentality rather than providing any alternative or inspiring people to do something else. You could go with "Lets have a plot about ..." and it'd get a lot more people off ERPing than trying to tell them to stop it. Or writing guides about playing paladins and celestials etc.

[*Jelkia]

Sounds like ya are wantin RP police an ah doubt any ah tha DM's er gonna spend their DM/Non-Character time doin tha. >.>

Maybe sign up fer tha job? =D

[*DarkPerin]

The first goal, is to get people to admit there is actually an issue about it. The second would be to figure out together, how it might be solved. Because people taking a closer look at their own RP, would be far more helpful than the DMs doing such. Generally if I am on a server that makes it clear they aim to have lore taken seriously, there is rarely ever even an issue to begin with. Punishment may not always be the best option either. Sometimes rewarding those that do well is enough. There are plenty of possibilities.

[*edmaster44]

Nah that would be weird and why would any one want read and sit through some really bad smut most of the time? Though what is immersion breaking is seeing celestials, archons and good people grinding in Mercuria. I always hear weak ass excuses like "oh that's a good place to level" now that i would start changing alignments to reflection those actions

[*Mr_Otyugh]

Skyrim mods. Check how many female mods vs how many male mods there are. :P And it has no ERP (except with mods), and that game doesn't even have other players to convince.

[*DarkPerin]

@ Cadence: That is called taking something out of context.

Skyrim isn't related to this game.


Never seen such a problem on servers that do not allow ERP, and actually enforce such.
Banning ERP is not what I am looking for here. What I want, is for people to stop letting ERP get in the way of their RP. I'm not sure how many time's I'm going to have to repeat that. Instead, you keep focusing on stuff which is not the issue.

Example, Character A, is a paladin. Says they are good. Talks about how all evil should be eradicated. Proceeds to *** an evil devil. Because they totally wouldn't be counted as being fallen now. No one even questions it.


Another example. A Paladin of Yondalla. Open consorts and is good friends with a Necromancer.

Seen both of those on the server. If people want to do this sort of thing, it would be nice if they didn't at least rape the lore. I can say this wouldn't fly on most servers, short of a social server.

[*WhenWizardsWar]

It sounds to me like your being abit presumptious about characters motivations. You stated that you see people seeking adult RP which is counter nature to their character, which honestly, thats not your place to make that call. The characters mindsets change, their motivations change etc etc.

It also sounds like your abit put off that peoples public interactions that deal with sex and intimacy don't enhance YOUR RP.

Sigil just...works...as does the rp that takes place in it. I do wish somethings wouldnt happen in rp situations but they do, sometimes frequently, but i accept it because sigil is a unique place and...well it just works for people.


As for the belief that Sigil is becoming another Haven and that alot of people are coming to Sigil from Haven.

This is not the case, just as many people from Haven visit Sigil as the people from Sigil visit Haven (I know who you all are)

I'm not ashamed to admit I have started playing on Haven off and on some time ago (under another login) and the bad stigma and labels that the server has is very very unfair. It is an adult rp server very much so and there is a heavy air of sexual rp there but its not nearly as rampant as people think and its almost all done in great taste and with far more respect to other players then people here in sigil tend to show towards peoples undertaking said mature themes BY far.

There is plenty of drama, and conflict and character development potential there as well.

I guess as far as people slamming Haven and compareing its adult rp to ours and vica versa...im sorry but there is no comparison. They have wonderful very mature adults that tell wonderful adult stories and interactions and they show so much respect and consideration for each other when it comes to certain scenarios that most frown on here in Sigil, we could take a few notes from their book on how to handle some things.

I guess what it boils down to, like i said i my earlier post here, is Sigil is a unique place and it attracts all manner of characters and player personality types. We have to all inhabit the same world and share the same walls and floors, if something bothers you, speak up to the players who are doing what ever it is that is bothering you but understand that we are all here to have fun and everyone needs to accept the fact that you will see rp you dont agree with, or that makes you uncomfortable or you may develop opinions that someone is playing contrary to their chars nature.

It happens, if everyones RP meshed perfectly with everyone elses, Sigil would be a very scary place to be and would be worthy of best seller book lists across ten star systems.

At the end of the day, just Roll with the Punch's and work with your fellow players to ensure everyone is having a fun time with rp that they are comfortable with.

[*Mr_Otyugh]

Alright, well, you made your point.

As said, these things go in waves and server is still fine despite all those earlier times. And if you want my advise "Stop it!" approach generally does nothing. If you'd actually want to try to change things around, you'd aim toward inspiring things you wanted rather than tell people to stop things you don't.

But I won't be telling people they can't play their characters, and neither am I going to really let you do so either. Because like any server, there are things you may not like, but compromises are part of the package deal.

Also the skyrim argument is very related to the topic, I mean the topic is called "so many women". You don't need to like the indication of that argument, but that doesn't make the argument less valid.