I hated today's duel.

[*Black_Grove]

What traditon is dishonored? How about the notion that a duel is between the participants... this is why it is called a duel and not a mass melee.

This not a case like the red herrings offered like 'does the paladin have to agree with drow slavery just because he is in a drow city'. Everyone involved comes from a setting where duels are a proper way to settle disputes of honor

So no it was not a matter of helping the weak... they were two grown men participating in a pretty clear rite of society called a DUEL, a fight over a point of honor between two grown men. No victim to 'save' and no wrong to right


It is a chaotic action to put your feelings above the tradition of the duel. So sure stop the duel, but also be a man about it when it comes time to take your aligment bump. This 'my own code' is not lawful, and is in fact chaotic

If you want to play a modern minded character that does what he wants and busts up honor duels no one is saying you cant... but you shouldnt expect to remain lawful in alignment.

Do not mind you being snarky either, but it has gone past that into willful ignorance now



J

[*SanguineOrchid]

Duel went as the participants wanted it to, some spectators were happy with it, other spectators were not. One of the great things about being a spectator, you can say whatever you like about it afterwards but the game was still played out by other people.

I'm going to go rail about alignment itself for a while and leave this topic alone since there are too many emotions attached.

More alignment oriented discussion

[*Ceremorph]

I'm going to close this thread before it escalates any further. If Otyugh or Cryptc would prefer it to remain open, they will surely do so, but I don't like the direction this could be heading.
Those who want to discuss alignment, please refer to SanguineOrchid's new thread. Those participants who wish to discuss and/or complain about the duel, please do so in PMs.

I'm going to try to remain True Neutral on the matter.

[*Tildryn]

Lawful Good here...didn't have any trouble not interfering.

[*Reptiller]

Lawfulness is can be different.For example a Paladin of Helm,if even found a theif would simply *Censored* him.But a paladin of Ilmater or Sune would try to talk him into returning the stolen property or even pay for the victim's expenses.And I know a very good person on TFR,who is a leader of an entire
order of knights.He written an ooc guide for paladins which clearly states that a paladin must obey to his God's code,his Order's code(if any) and obey local laws only if they dont interrupt with any of those codes. And Sune...you know Sune.

[*Product of Void]

Egh alignments HOW I HATE THEE.

Okay those saying lawful means following town laws or LG. Okay take a paladin into the underdark its okay to slave, murder, and do anything you want as long as you will not get caught. Nope does not work.

Lawful means their minds set NOT how they follow the laws. Organized, thoughtful, come to mind with Lawful.

I have played lawful good....egh. Now things Lawful good could do in my book.


1. knock out their friend and inform them they died earlier trying to convince their friend it is better to live and let this die with their old name then go through with it.

2. Taken their friends place.

3. Sought to delay the other combatant, or perhaps challenge them earlier so then their friend would have a better chance if already wounded.

4. Stand in the arena and demand a stop to it less they get involved beating them both to their senses.

Many many choices. I could see a sneak going into the arena and healing the one they like. Or perhaps someone with bets on them trying to hit them with a spell during the duel like Avascalate.

[*Biohazard89]

The duel played out as i expected and planned for Diamond and it was a great show of RP that took ALOT of planning to do from my side and Mr.O's aswell no doubt.

Plus Vale's not truly dead but mearely out of commission for the next three days since i think i earned my break from SCOD.

I didnt want Vale perma deathed which is why i made a believable contingency incase he did get his ass handed to him.

Mr.O and i agreed that the Duel should be to the Death which it was and is why Vale wont be on for awhile due to the fact that his body is being reincarnated slowly through a True Resurrection that was performed...

And as Mr.O said you could just have interfered in the Duel while it was going on, all i asked was that you didnt Res Vale if he died since that would ruin ALL the Work i had been planning for two weeks before the Duel.

Anyway thats my Two cents..


Biohazard89.

[*Animus]

You had choice to act by your own character or at least roleplay it out, yet you didn't... it's still the same thing, you decided not to act at all. Duel for me was nothing but RP, ending result didn't mind at all... be it someone poison Crattens food before duel or people stepping forth to prevent the entire act.

Now I can't tell of others not wanting to be resurrected, but I can sure understand not to want to make it as easy as snap of fingers and break the immersion very clearly.

Also while Vale was lying in pain, why did he not try to heal him? ;) demand to stop the duel? Restrain Cratten? End the duel before it started by restraining them? There are a lot of options that could've been done. So please cease trying to put the blame on us for your own choices, eitherway there's nothing that you can do to alter the past... now the most important question is: What will you do now?

I'm not putting the blame on anyone. I just wish I never got Animus involved. Tempted to answer some of the other points brought up by you and others but this was a rant for yesterday and now it's today. That and the fact that others have answered for me already would make continuing this to be like .

Though if you guys want to continue your lawful/chaotic argument, by all means do so, but you'd better start a new topic. It's an interesting read.

[*deusex2]

Egh alignments HOW I HATE THEE.

Okay those saying lawful means following town laws or LG. Okay take a paladin into the underdark its okay to slave, murder, and do anything you want as long as you will not get caught. Nope does not work.

Lawful means their minds set NOT how they follow the laws. Organized, thoughtful, come to mind with Lawful.

I have played lawful good....egh. Now things Lawful good could do in my book.


1. knock out their friend and inform them they died earlier trying to convince their friend it is better to live and let this die with their old name then go through with it.

2. Taken their friends place.

3. Sought to delay the other combatant, or perhaps challenge them earlier so then their friend would have a better chance if already wounded.

4. Stand in the arena and demand a stop to it less they get involved beating them both to their senses.

Many many choices. I could see a sneak going into the arena and healing the one they like. Or perhaps someone with bets on them trying to hit them with a spell during the duel like Avascalate.

It's sooooo good to know that there are others out there, who know the difference between lawful good and lawful stupid...

And for those who don't:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LawfulStupid

[*CheeseWedge]

No need to get all snarky about it. ;]