Proxies

[*rapsam2003]

One thing this does bring up is that the way the Revolutionary League works currently just isn't friendly to grouping. The League would have to change from the semi-villain "people with bombs who want to get everyone" faction that it currently is in order to fit nicely in any factional grouping.

Might I suggest changing them to be more political activists, as opposed to outright terrorists (that's basically what they are now). Yes, it's departure from lore... but no one likes Anarchs for a reason. ^o)

I actually had an entire plot figured out where the Revs would split into two with the Violent members becoming a Sect and the Political moderates taking the fore front and trying to create a Republic. Lots of RP was already made with a Factor in the Revs meeting with High Ranking Fraternity members to make it come to fruition. It didn't go much further than that as the people involved in the RP had moved on.

Suffice to say that the Revs were gonna fight a 'civil war' and the Moderates were going to come out on top and many were going to 'out themselves' in an effort to bring democracy to the Cage.

Maybe some day :)

This should be a thing. Again. And the Revs become all interested in Democracy and voting amongst themselves. That'd actually be an interesting faction.

[*Melmoth]

Come on, Rob!! Come back :P !!

[*Sinlinara]

It's important to remember that no faction can be generalized, not even the Harmonium with their aspirations for perfect unity. Not all Revs are interested in Democracy, or in sharing power. Some are in the faction because they hope to position themselves in powerful positions as a result of their actions. They are a volatile lot who don't necessarily play nice, even with each other.

Moreover, the core of their philosophy is that the factions themselves are wrong, and that in order to pursue the real truth the factions need to be done away with. Getting along with the factions is antithetical to their core belief.

[*Darkrob]

It's important to remember that no faction can be generalized, not even the Harmonium with their aspirations for perfect unity. Not all Revs are interested in Democracy, or in sharing power. Some are in the faction because they hope to position themselves in powerful positions as a result of their actions. They are a volatile lot who don't necessarily play nice, even with each other.

Moreover, the core of their philosophy is that the factions themselves are wrong, and that in order to pursue the real truth the factions need to be done away with. Getting along with the factions is antithetical to their core belief.

That's why you take the liberty of changing the faction slightly so as to permit the Majority of the members to desire a freely chosen government in a freely chosen state. The rest (the violent ones) would be reduced to a sect who still cause trouble and that anyone can still join.

At least this way you have a playable faction that people would understand. The powerful would still support it as it would be a direct means for them to gain power if the New Revolution succeeded in creating a republic..

[*rapsam2003]

Moreover, the core of their philosophy is that the factions themselves are wrong, and that in order to pursue the real truth the factions need to be done away with. Getting along with the factions is antithetical to their core belief.

Hence why Revs need to be changed. They NEVER worked well in a PW setting. Look at all the examples of WHY people don't like Revs on this server. Example 1 that comes to mind, when the Revs told on the Doomguard and brought in the Harmonium, despite that being something NO REV WOULD EVER DO!...

You cannot have a group that is opposed to all other groups and expect it to work well in any capacity. Now, contrast that to this:

take the liberty of changing the faction slightly so as to permit the Majority of the members to desire a freely chosen government in a freely chosen state. The rest (the violent ones) would be reduced to a sect who still cause trouble and that anyone can still join.

[...]The powerful would still support it as it would be a direct means for them to gain power if the New Revolution succeeded in creating a republic..

A group that desires democracy? That's a group that 1) people can join more easily AND 2) allows for deals to be made.

[*edmaster44]

Moreover, the core of their philosophy is that the factions themselves are wrong, and that in order to pursue the real truth the factions need to be done away with. Getting along with the factions is antithetical to their core belief.

Hence why Revs need to be changed. They NEVER worked well in a PW setting. Look at all the examples of WHY people don't like Revs on this server. Example 1 that comes to mind, when the Revs told on the Doomguard and brought in the Harmonium, despite that being something NO REV WOULD EVER DO!...

You cannot have a group that is opposed to all other groups and expect it to work well in any capacity.

I cringe hard when i look back at that.

[*rapsam2003]

Moreover, the core of their philosophy is that the factions themselves are wrong, and that in order to pursue the real truth the factions need to be done away with. Getting along with the factions is antithetical to their core belief.

Hence why Revs need to be changed. They NEVER worked well in a PW setting. Look at all the examples of WHY people don't like Revs on this server. Example 1 that comes to mind, when the Revs told on the Doomguard and brought in the Harmonium, despite that being something NO REV WOULD EVER DO!...

You cannot have a group that is opposed to all other groups and expect it to work well in any capacity.

I cringe hard when i look back at that.

I joined the server right as that was going down. Euch.

[*Darkrob]

Revolutionaries will do what they have to do to achieve their goals. If their goal is to get rid of the other Factions, then perhaps a new goal of creating a Republic would achieve that. Not only would it bring choice to the people, it would also render the Factions obsolete and remove their power. If necessary an independent government would simply dissolve the Factions altogether.

While this would never actually come to play in game, it would give them a reason to drive towards it.

[*Darkrob]

Revolutionaries will do what they have to do to achieve their goals. If their goal is to get rid of the other Factions, then perhaps a new goal of creating a Republic would achieve that. Not only would it bring choice to the people, it would also render the Factions obsolete and remove their power. If necessary an independent government would simply dissolve the Factions altogether.

While this would never actually come to play in game, it would give them a reason to drive towards it.

This would also allow them to fit nicely in with the Fated and Indeps. Gives Fated members reason to back the philosophical argument the Revs would carry as we all know coin buys influence and influence win elections. Also the Indeps would likely support a system that allows them a measure of independence of choice in who actually runs the city (at least on the surface).

[*rapsam2003]

Plus, Factions should be evolving, if needed. We already have an example of this on the Server, technically, when the Indeps took over more responsibility and began hiring/training their own security for the Bazaar. That was rather organically occurring, through events and RP.