Sigil: City of Doors

I know that deities aren't a huge deal. The thing is I really like playing a Cleric with Kelemvor as my deity. Only one problem, in your PW, you removed him. I'm rather disappointed really.

Actually, I and several others are disappointed with that choice too. I believe the arguement by the developers was that he was a minor deity, really only associated with the Toril/Faerun pantheon and prime material plane, whereas other gods added in were supposed to be in multiple primes and the like. Perhaps they just needed space, to fit other gods in, I'm not sure of the Mechanics of the matter though.

As for the logic given, that Kelemvor is really only from one plane, it's perhaps a bit suspect when overall Celts gods are really only from the "quasi historical earth prime", just like the Greyhawk Gods are from Greyhawk (Heironious, St. Cuthbert, Wee Jas") and NO Gods are present in Sigil or it's close environs at all. Perhaps there should be no gods and divine magic should fizzle?

As for in game options, well... you could attempt to find a similar god and SAY it's Kelemvor afterall, as it's really rather only something you see on your character sheet and choose to roleplay for the most part. The whole doomguide prestige class works perfectly fine regardless of what god is in that field.

Yes, that is entirely the point. The listing of gods is really only a case of "base selection", because it would be somewhat silly to have the vast multiverse environment of Sigil... yet everyone is worshipping Faerunian gods.

We have had people worshipping everything from Kelemvor to Graz'zt to Ygorl to Dieties of Krynn (we have had a Kender character), and as Porthos said, the only difference really is on the character sheet.

I personally do like the dieties of Forgotten Realms, mainly because they're the most fully fleshed-out pantheon, but if you feel the need to worship one of them... then simply choose a similar diety from the list and do so.

One thing to note: There's no Wall in the planes. Non-followers goes to plane according to alignment (and too bad, everyone has one whether they want or not :P). Though technically it is there, just that it only draws people from Faerun in there :P

Hence Kelemvor isn't really necessary or anything big at all in the Planes.

It would actually be a surprise if just about any of the Cagers would even know his name at all. "Kill'em'all? Who's that?... OOOH.. Kelemvor... who's that then?" Of course those that would originate from Abeir Toril or Faerun might know him.

What Otyugh said.

The thing to note is that most of the layers of the "Outer Planes" are infinite. What this means is that, for example, Oinos, the first level of the Gray Wastes, includes not only the areas we have in-game, but in addition contains Dieties' realms, (Kelemvor, Incabulos from Grayhawk, Abbathor of the dwarven pantheon, etc.)each of which could be the size of an entire planet.

Now on the other hand, that brings up a very interesting concept. Take a diety like Ilmater, arguably the most powerful of the Faerunic pantheon. Within the world of Toril, his power is nearly unquestioned, only rivaled by the other greater gods. Which is why, for the most part, he focuses his attention on that world. However, as noted in the Planescape sourcebook "On Hallowed Ground":

wrote:The Torilian deities are starting to look outside their crystal sphere and leaning towards the outer planes, where belief translates into even greater strength...
(p. 168)

This would make the assumption that in the context of the multiverse, he is more of a big fish in a little pond. Throw him into the ocean, and he is dwarfed by the monsters there.

Compare this to Yeenoghu, Prince of Gnolls. In Faerun, his power is among the least of dieties. This is primarily becuase of one simple fact: As well as being a demon lord, he is the supreme diety of Gnolls. The problem is that on Faerun, Gnolls are a relatively minor race, so even with a vast majority of Gnoll shamans (and their attendant tribes) worshipping him, he still lacks the massive throngs of faithful that human and demihuman societies supply a god such as Ilmater.

But now consider Yeenoghu from the context of the multiverse. He's worshipped by gnolls on thousands, even millions of Prime Material worlds, on some of which it could be assumed gnolls are the dominant species.. He also controls an entire level of the Abyss, and has recently acquired the servitude of Ghouls throughout the multiverse. As such, from a Sigil perpective he's a far more important and influential diety than Ilmater, and his name would be well-known throughout the multiverse, where sages and experienced planewalkers would be the only beings not of Toril who would even know of Ilmater's existence.

Also, minor note... the Doomguide prc was changed to work with any deity since we removed Kelemvor as a choice... just fyi