E-NOW: Dialog

*Zilvai
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Posted by *Zilvai »


A response of one of the shady Hivers, cowled. An insignia of a crushed sword with a dagger tip would be on a brooch holding his cloak.

"E-Now moves into the Hive, forces us Hivers, Drives us Hivers to ways we do not want. GET OUT. The calls are clear of the people here. We don't want your help, we don't want anyone forcing us to things we don't want. The Hive runs, it's just a battlefield. The best survive, the best get jobs, the best have friends. If you don't stick up to it, you die, deal with it. We have more taverns then any of you berks can imagine, more populace then any of you can even think about, more money flow than most of Sigils populace. You just gotta look.

Now here is my message to you, E-Now, given from the Stings, Get out the Hive while you have the chance or things will end up worse then you are going to hope. This is our territory, not yours."

An Inker by the name of Herald Gross had shared this to the S.I.G.I.S article as a response, mentioning he himself did not share these views himself.
*Uneatable Financier
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Posted by *Uneatable Financier »


Salutations Raptor,

Your first words seem to imply that we have no right for objective flow of information? I do not believe members of Hive that are less than satisfied of the methods of the Enterprise NOW project should be denied their chance to express their opinions, but in return I see it to be fair that we can actually respond to the matter.

All property that was hazardous and in verge of collapse were given a chance to take part in this project by allowing Enterprise NOW to replace their living place with re-constructed housing. If the resident declined then it was the end of that matter, no member of Hive has been forced out of their home. Those that took the offer have been given temporary residence at several fair inn rooms.

Heironeus is god of war indeed, it is rare I see those with knowledge of my order. However I fear you may have been mislead a little. I will explain this not as means of converting or religious zeal, but to expand the view of which I am accused upon. Heironeus teaches us in art of war, he does not teach it us to wage it, but to be prepared when no other choice is given. I will attach to this my code of conduct
    [color=olive][b]Code of Conduct[/b][/color] Authority - Uphold the laws of the land. You are not exempt from any just laws because you are divinely appointed. Piety - Show faith and belief in your divine lord and do right by him. Virtue - As a beacon of good, you should always uphold your virtue and righteousness. As a burning torch for others to follow and to never yield to evil. Purity - Marriage is pure and allowed if laws of lands allow such. Act as rolemodel and remain pure. Truth - Lies are the tool of evil, thou shall never utter lies or mislead others. Hospitality - Heal those in need, for they are not to be ignored. Provide shelter and food if one is not able to sustain such, however do not live others lives. Judgement - Even after all these, you are divinely appointed distributor of justice. None of these acts alone, they are all tied upon one another. [/li]
If after this you believe me to be unable to conduct objective and fair service, then I will stand down as the captain and the representator for the Enterprise NOW, then I shall do so.

But I would wish to remind that this is not the first time I have acted in charity for the Hive, before this I acted in much smaller project to bring education to small number of children, not because of selective picking, but because of lack of fundings. This is when I was approached by lady La Meor with proposition, the Enterprise NOW project, while I expected a much smaller scale begin, it drives the goals I have wanted before and still continue to fund it even if my contribution is but a humble one.

I have acted with the Harmonium, do I always agree with the choices taken by them? No, I do not. But I am bound by my code of conduct to accept their decisions.

We do not wish to keep the members of Hive in the dark, at each opportunity we even invite those whom wish to know more so that we can explain what they wish to know. I agree with the part that there are many whom are unable to read, I am certain we will be able to include a regular session to hold public speech about the intents, while I like the idea of town crier, I fear it might be seen as obnoxious occupational method of propaganda. We want to invite those that wish to hear, but not force our project to those that prefer their neutrality.

We have no ill will against the citizen of Hive, during the events a small investigation was conducted to verify the truth of the initial rumors and we found evidences that spoke the truth. The information was sent to the Harmonium, but it would seem the matter halted here. As I have expressed before, we are left in difficult position of how much we are allowed to act without being viewed as gang out for occupation of the Ward. We have also expressed that we do not approve such brutality and if the incidence would ever to happen again we will no longer be capable to be aligned with the parts that have conducted such brutality.

The only thing different is that this incidence occurred during the newly risen program, had this occurred before us, would any person truly have blinked or just agreed that it is the way the Hive is? I am saddened it happened, but it has only increased my dedication to this project with hopes that perhaps this time will be different. Perhaps this time we can make things better and that there are more ways to hold different opinions than merely draw weapons when there is disagreement.

To your last paragraph I can answer with a question; If all means are permitted, is your path any better than the view you try to fight against?

Corwyn Lux
Envoy of Heironeus
Captain of the Crimson Guard

((links to things Hivers might remember Corwyn from, since I don't expect people to remember or do research.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/nwn2planesc ... topic=4171 - helping to resolve the situation without violence.
http://z13.invisionfree.com/nwn2planesc ... topic=4467 - his own providing of education.
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Regarding the Article by Herald Gross,

Unfortunately I am left at disadvantage, so please do forgive if I am unable to specify to whom this is aimed at, and at any case I would hope mister Herald Gross is not kept responsible for these claims. But regarding his latest article of anonymous Hive residents opinion I would like to again display Enterprise NOW views upon the subject.

We are not forcing members of Hive to do things that they do not want, there are things the project will not be taking part in nor will it support certain brutal or dictatorial actions, but neither will it actively act against such matters. As has been expressed before, if you do not wish to participate, you are not required. Participation in any of the charity programs or employee side is strictly voluntary. To assume it is one of forceful nature is to ignore any and all legal ramifications such matter would bring to entire organization, if such actions were conducted then would we openly welcome members of Hive to come watch instead of closing borders and simply take people in without ever letting them out?

As always, you are free to come observe, but there is something we will not negotiate upon which is the safety of workers of the project.

You speak of survival to the fittest, our project is not to serve the elite or the best, but to provide an opportunity to those that life treats unfairly. Death of a citizen that could not match up in competition of life is a tragedy, we hope to be able to alter this by providing new chance.

Majority of the flow of jink does not originate from the residents of Hive Ward, rather the residents of richer wards or outsiders to the city whom wish to either purchase cheap services or to keep something discreet. I concur, Hive is not without its visitors or ways to gain money, but if you look at the larger picture, where is this money distributed, whom does the money serve? If you walk through the streets of Hive, you will see a couple buildings rise up to make the others look in awe while sheer majority are old, some which are well past over seasonal fixing. There is money in the Hive, but there is no distribution of it, this is again part of the issues the Enterprise NOW is hoping to solve in long term.

I believe it is unfair for you to make demands on behalf of all of citizen of Hive, even if you or your friends do not require the aid, is this basis on denying the opportunity from rest of the members of the Hive? Especially as you already expressed that you believe in the leadership of the elite, not that of the common resident.

If you have further concerns, please do express them and I or another representator of Enterprise NOW project will take time to explain it to best of our knowledge and capability.

Corwyn Lux
Envoy of Heironeus
Captain of the Crimson Guard
*The Lady With the Pet Dog
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Posted by *The Lady With the Pet Dog »


More testimonials from the Hive, published by Oerianna Vaas:



Riagrim Thenill: Artist

Who exactly is this Phantom berk? The CEO of ENOW... why is his face always hidden? I've heard dark that he lives up to his name and is good at sneaking around. Why did they get someone so secretive and suspicious to lead the project? Are they addled to think that they'd build trust in the Hive by having a mysterious figurehead like him? I like that Corwyn basher better - he doesn't look like he's trying to hide anything. Maybe he is, I dunno, but I like a face. Phantom is faceless, it's disconcerting.



Vernon Physostigmine: Mercenary

I done seen them try tae change up thin's after ye wrote yer article, Oerianna: but I'm still c'serned. This migh' jest be window-dressin' - they're trynna appease the riled up folk. At least they're scared o' us- but I don' trust their niceties. I ain't got no good reason to trust 'em, ye know?
*PigeonStalker
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Posted by *PigeonStalker »


Friend Corwyn,

I was ambiguous. Nobody is worthless. [In the original letter sent to the news-sheet, this is underlined three times] I merely put the impression I receive - quite crude and biased and clearly rather poorly expressed - when many of means speak of those without. Of course people are equal in dignity and value, and thus it hurts more when that value is denied. I apologise for the confusion.

My problem is twofold, son of Heironeous, based on practicality and intent. Take no offense, for I am sure I address you less than some of your fellows, but true aid is a calling rather than a pastime; bored nobles who decide morality might be a fine jape and throw money, resources and employees at poverty often end up with wasted money, squandered resources and injured employees, and a grand, largely ignored folly they happily dream of being fondly remembered for. Clueless well-wishers acting on a whim, brother, have not the insight into the systems and environments they wish to assist that their dwellers do; for efficiency and efficacy's sake, if nothing else, consultations and if requested formal accords and agreements with locals should be prioritised.

On intent, however, lies another potential issue. For every handful of part-time philanthropists exists a hard-bitten opportunist for whom the improvement of lives is merely a business deal, and though I mean no slander to your fellows or yourself, this is definitely an issue. It is tempting to think that what matters most is that something is done, not the spirit in which it is done or its means, but they are intrinsically linked, brother. You say education would open the way to employment, with the hint of personal achievement being fostered occasionally, in certain words; consider that there is more than one way to be educated, and that goals defined now could set the culture within your project for some time to come. Better to aim for a flock of artists and philosophers with the side-product of some conveniently diligent workers and citizens than vice versa, friend, and better either of these done in good faith than shackling those too weak to stand up for themselves with terrified, conditioned obedience, which a small, cynical part of myself still suggests may be your (in a plural, impersonal and non-accusative sense, friend) ultimate objective.

Make no mistake. I do hope you operate in a true spirit of charity, and I would be in full solidarity with you if it was clear your aims and methods were most favourable for your wards. Let us hope, Corwyn.

Wren.
*Uneatable Financier
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Posted by *Uneatable Financier »


Salutations Wren,

I have but one question left. Is there a reason to speak lowly on people or cause without knowing intent or finding out why such is being done?

You use terms such as bored nobles and shackling which I find unnecessary way to speak lowly upon something. Perhaps it is merely a case of person finding that portion of their being that genuinely wishes to help. And attempting to compare charity which allows people to choose themselves is barely shackling. As I have expressed before, those whom wish to take part may take part, and those whom do not may remain away from it. It is truly little more different than say, spending time in Khazeets bar, only difference is that we give our service away for free.

I truly do not know what kinds of visions of torment, oppression, and dictatorship do terms school, charity and employment options bring in the minds of Sigilians, but back in Oerth from which I originate the school meant a place to learn, certainly it wasn't something children always liked but it was hardly oppression. Charity neither meant any of those, but rather it meant means to give funding to a cause they wished to see happen without guarantees of success or refund. And employment, well considering majority of population is infact in employment, can it truly be compared to slavery, torment or dictatorship, for I believe not.

If charity, education and employment are things you truly fight against, then it is not the failure of those in Hive, it is not failure of those working for Enterprise now, but it is the failure of the good of man. To be broken down not by efforts of good people, but by the efforts of people whom themselves are not trying to assist those in need.

There are even greater forms of charity within the Hive Ward, the most notable is the Gatehouse by the Bleak Cabal that can support much greater number of people than this project can, despite its large scale. Now one could go even to philosophical argument about ideals behind their and our charity and teachings. This leans me to think that scale of the project is not the main matter. No, I believe it is time. This project is new, it has not been a long time and it is nature of people to fear things that are not like they used to be.

So it is matter of familiarity, lets say I have used the same fork to eat my food for last twenty years, it is my favorite fork, but alas time has taken its toll and it has been bent and even lost couple pieces, surely a new fork would be better. I know this fork has sentimental value to myself, but to others it is but a junk. What will happen is I will keep my favorite fork but eat with a new fork.

This is the point where we are... we are not trying to take your favorite metaphorical fork away, but rather we will offer you a new one which works better while you can keep the sentimental possession still. If you wish no part in this, you are not forced to take the service offered or in this example a new fork, but you are given option to take it.

Corwyn Lux
Envoy of Heironeus
Captain of Crimson Guard
*The Lady With the Pet Dog
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Posted by *The Lady With the Pet Dog »


Hive Testimonials, Published by Oerianna Vaas:


Varentheri, Collector
Marble District, Hive

"Not really concerned about one side or the other. As long as the fighting continues, and I keep getting paid for moving these bodies. Can't talk anymore, a sod just got chived behind you....have to get back to work."



Lord Reginald Seventhelem Mesephon IV: Hive Affairs, Fraternity of Order.
Right Angle, Hive

"I must say I find this violence absolutely abhorrent! A gentleman like myself is forced to wear heavy armour over my normal silken fare. I shall have you know that my skin is rather sensitive! Additionally, being of Orcish descent, I feel rather uncomfortable with this racially charged ambiance! Gone are the wonderful days of yore when one's wealth and class, and not one's race, determined how society viewed you! Despite these proverbial as well as literal slings and arrows thrown against my ki---

What's that you ask? Oh, right, right, the Enterprise-Now initiative.

I am in favour of all lawful-minded citizens looking to bring peace, order and stability to this most rugged of environs! They might even teach the savage Hivers some manners, so I give them my full support! Now if you'll excuse me, I must go formulate a strongly worded letter to the leader of the gang of local ruffians who splattered graffiti all over my maison!"
*The Lady With the Pet Dog
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Posted by *The Lady With the Pet Dog »


Hive testimonials, Published by Oerianna Vaas:

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Mya Veros, Xaositect Poet
Tenements, Red Light District

Boxed

Three influence yet only masses voice and reality is shaped. Dark dealings, back rooms, hidden agendas, lies upon lies. Pretty faces and phony gestures hiding wicked chains.

Leave Us Alone


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Reginald the Thrice Damned, Sigilian recruiter - Lord Bel's Army
Flophouse District

"Lots of incoming souls due to the wave of riots. Even if that wasn't the case, I could just have easily acquired the contractual rights to numerous soldiers. Sure, most of them have no idea how to fight a goblin, much less a fiend, but there is a reason we Devils call them 'fodder.'


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*Uneatable Financier
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Posted by *Uneatable Financier »


Salutations Varenthi and Reginald the Thrice Damned,

I believe you need more hope for the members of Hive, there is more yet than riots that these people can do. Too many of us try to look down or try to paint them as villains but in the end of day, they are much like any other citizen of Sigil. Lives filled with hopes and dreams.

The issue lies in no opportunity to follow these, even if some have the dedication necessary. It is tragedy that we live in a world where money can govern so much, it is part of the Enterprise Now initiative to overcome these difficulties and provide an opportunity, a jumping board if you may, so that everyone has a chance rather than ill chosen acceptance of faith or deciding that things are as they have always been.

To consider the citizen as only fodder or bodies is grim, life has value and always should have. I speak not of monetary value for it cannot be measured in such way contrary to certain shady sources. Great and bright minds are going to waste because they aren't given chance to harness the learning. And I greatly hope we can change this situation.

Corwyn Lux
Envoy of Heironeus
Acting CEO of Enterprise Now project
Captain of Crimson Guard
*Melancholy_Dreamer
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Posted by *Melancholy_Dreamer »


Chant on the streets:

Even with all the unrest, Hivers have to take breaks to purchase cheap hooch and complain about their lot around a seldom-cleaned table or bartop. Chant flows freely:


- This E-Now, sure wish it'd put more food on me table
- Harmonium? They don't dare come inside very far.
- Wait. What I want to know, just who is this Oerianna Vaas?
- Yeah. Does Oerianna Vaas pay taxes like the rest of us?
- Is Oerianna Vaas cute?
- Is she married?
- Who's her husband? For the Lady knows, he needs to take the back of his hand to her, and get her to shut up.
- Women, natural status: barefoot and pregnant, and in a kitchen! Or bringing me an ale.
- Shut your gob! I like her.
*The Lady With the Pet Dog
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Posted by *The Lady With the Pet Dog »


Hive Testimonials Published by Oerianna Vaas:


Nviero Locke
Free League, Lot's Lane


"Haven't heard much about those berks of late. Either they're hiding somewhere, they wisened up and shut their bone-boxes, or they ran scared with their tails in between their legs. That'll teach them to announce their presence in the Hive. If you're an outsider and you want to do something here, you better make sure you keep your mouth shut about it. No one comes into our kip, and pushes us around"


Nimklo
Imp Chef, Mortuary District

"Look I pikin don't care about E-NOW or E-SOON, or even E-LATER. Ye either take tha' dress off like a good chit, or I'm gonnae be forced ta kick ye outta me establishmen'"

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