An open latter to the Council of Sigil
Several days ago we reached out to the Harmonium to bring peace. We reached out to end the conflict between the Cartel and the Harmonium. We had been infiltrated and twisted from the inside and had finally become aware of our situation. An imposter, better known as the Scourge, had captured and imprisoned me within a prism. This entity then set about taking control of the Consortium in the guise of me and directing the Cartel in a course that it now finds itself. The members of the Cartel, completely believing that the one they obeyed was me, did as they were ordered. Once my people were able to figure out what had happened, it was too late to undo the damage. They managed to capture the Scourge, release me and secure the captured souls of Cadaveus, Mabel and Owen.
A few days ago we set all the war prisoners free and sent the Harmonium a part of the evidence. Their men were returned to them without strings ofr conditions, the shards of the crystal which was my prison were given to their inspection freely. We asked nothing in return for them. Once given over, we requested a halt to the conflict and we extended the flag of parlayÂ… a chance to sit and negotiate a return to peace. After two more days, we sent the same letter, along with one of The Scourge's mercenaries, a witness and a co-conspirer of the crimes against Cadaveus, Mabel, Owen as well as our organization. Once again, all we asked for was to open negociations. We are not blackmailing anyone. For now, this is still a war...When the Scourge was in control of the Cartel, the Harmonium did offer him peace for the Cartel if he would turn himself in. No prisoners of war were freed by the Harmonium in that instance.
The Harmonium outright refused our peace offer.
They claim that there will be no peace as the Cartel still did what they did even though it was another ordering them toÂ… but isnÂ’t that how order works? If the Factol of the Harmonium gave the order to obliterate an enemy city, would not he expect his troops to obey? So to are the members of the Cartel supposed to act when their leader gives commands.
For the members of the Cartel to do as they did, to act as they didÂ… all while under the false leadership of the one who gave the commandÂ… thatÂ’s Order. ThatÂ’s how command works. If underlings refuse to obey then you have no command. If underlings act as they wish and choose to follow one order then ignore anotherÂ… simply on personal taste or morals, you have no structure and you have no order. You simply have the free leagueÂ… is that what the Harmonium is? The free league with weapons?
It seems to me that the Harmonium is only concerned with blood. They have no interest in peace. They have no interest in Order; they are only concerned with killing. If they were truly interested in Order and peace then theyÂ’d stand down and talkÂ… but talk doesnÂ’t allow them to kill, and killing, apparently, is what they like to do best. I understand the notion of vengeance but I would rather direct against the real perpetrators of a wrong deed rather those who ended up misleaded and unknowingly helping him and suffering due to the deed done. If the war continues, there'll be no real justice.
I also must point out that Harmonium most likely refused our offer without discussing it with Guvners. They had already violated all possible protocols by declaring a war instead of launching a proper case to handle the murders. Now, there is not just one Mover Cadaveus involved but also judges Mabel and Owen. It is not just about Harmonium's member, justice or revenge, it concerns the Fraternity of Order just as much. I also assume the evidence presented was never share with Fraternity . I adress the Guvners so perhaps they offer their own say for the matter and perhaps convince the Harmonium to take a more sensible approach. How the war is going these days does not give the Harmonium a good reputation. They harass mercantile caravans on borders of independent City states in search for our members. The Harmonium will argue about our brutality against the local militia forces but soon after The Scourge was discovered and restrained, considerable monetary compensations had been sent to those Cities. They're not bribes for the officials. They're compensations which are to be used to ressurect the fallen or give their families proper support where ressurection is not possible.
The offer to sit and talk still stands. I politely request the council to demand the Harmonium engage in diplomacy. I politely request the council to demand the Harmonium to bring an end to the bloodshed and return to peace. I politely request the council to demand the Harmonium turn over all items and evidences we gave them, to the council so they can see for themselves. More will be provided after that is done.
Now is the time for peace and diplomacy.
No more blood.
LadyÂ’s Grace
Hildmor dÂ’Kridis
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*Mr_Otyugh
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The Cartel is attempting to struggle out of situation they cannot win, they are losing this war and now they try to negotiate. They took their time murdering villages in the planes, they took their time murdering our people and now that they realize they are losing they are trying to negotiate and even have the nerves of trying to force us to it by reminding that they have people we care about in their hold.
Now they utterly and completely continue lying that they are blameless? How many have they murdered and expect to get away with it? "It wasn't us, it was my evil twin" from a person that has cloning laboratory full of people looking exactly like him.
This war will end only one way and it is unconditional surrender of Cartel for all the atrocities they have induced to the people of Sigil and to the people of Planes. Even now there are rumors of them bribing local settlements to their submission, these are the kind of people we want to leave alone? Yes we want peace, but what they are offering is NOT peace, they are offering an insult to all people that have become their victims and if we let them go all future victims will be blamed on us.
We already heard months of their cruelty before this. They wanted this war, they have this war. If you wish negotiations, we can negotiate the terms of your surrender. Otherwise this will continue.
The matters of war was discussed in council of Sigil, the ultimatum was clear, and the matter of Fraternity of Order not approving is an utter lie, council records can easily prove that wrong. Cartel is no longer welcome. Sure the Cartel wishes to use kind and nice words, but those words are little comfort to everyone they murdered. We have more than enough proofs of their brutality and little to no reason for peace knowing that future of Cartel will only lead to more destruction. It is criminal organization, make no mistake of anything else. What kind of merchant organization has personal army, assassins and works their way on bribing politics? And what kind of merchant organization takes part in crime syndicate of the Under Sigil? The proofs are clear... Cartel is criminal organization and now they want amnesty because they were betrayed from the inside? I'm sorry but you do not get the right after you yourself broke nearly every single law out there and continue with extortion and bribing.
I would wish to remind that it wasn't this "Hildmor Clone" that conducted the vile service, it was assassins of Cartel, it was members of Cartel slaughtering people. These are Cartels crimes, even if Hildmor is blameless, the Cartel is not. And there's enough proofs to point out that Hildmor d'Kridis is hardly blameless of dozens of crimes and murders. Which caused his banishment from the city of Sigil to begin with. They claim proofs, but they were conveniently found when they are losing this war, and how many times has he lied to the people and the courts of Sigil? At each and every turn, even the past shows reason to not believe their words. To give emphasis, they claimed to not have done this and here we have proof that they did.
If you wish no more blood, surrender. The blood is in your organizations hands.
- Jhaenus Korreth
Mover Four of Harmonium
Now they utterly and completely continue lying that they are blameless? How many have they murdered and expect to get away with it? "It wasn't us, it was my evil twin" from a person that has cloning laboratory full of people looking exactly like him.
This war will end only one way and it is unconditional surrender of Cartel for all the atrocities they have induced to the people of Sigil and to the people of Planes. Even now there are rumors of them bribing local settlements to their submission, these are the kind of people we want to leave alone? Yes we want peace, but what they are offering is NOT peace, they are offering an insult to all people that have become their victims and if we let them go all future victims will be blamed on us.
We already heard months of their cruelty before this. They wanted this war, they have this war. If you wish negotiations, we can negotiate the terms of your surrender. Otherwise this will continue.
The matters of war was discussed in council of Sigil, the ultimatum was clear, and the matter of Fraternity of Order not approving is an utter lie, council records can easily prove that wrong. Cartel is no longer welcome. Sure the Cartel wishes to use kind and nice words, but those words are little comfort to everyone they murdered. We have more than enough proofs of their brutality and little to no reason for peace knowing that future of Cartel will only lead to more destruction. It is criminal organization, make no mistake of anything else. What kind of merchant organization has personal army, assassins and works their way on bribing politics? And what kind of merchant organization takes part in crime syndicate of the Under Sigil? The proofs are clear... Cartel is criminal organization and now they want amnesty because they were betrayed from the inside? I'm sorry but you do not get the right after you yourself broke nearly every single law out there and continue with extortion and bribing.
I would wish to remind that it wasn't this "Hildmor Clone" that conducted the vile service, it was assassins of Cartel, it was members of Cartel slaughtering people. These are Cartels crimes, even if Hildmor is blameless, the Cartel is not. And there's enough proofs to point out that Hildmor d'Kridis is hardly blameless of dozens of crimes and murders. Which caused his banishment from the city of Sigil to begin with. They claim proofs, but they were conveniently found when they are losing this war, and how many times has he lied to the people and the courts of Sigil? At each and every turn, even the past shows reason to not believe their words. To give emphasis, they claimed to not have done this and here we have proof that they did.
If you wish no more blood, surrender. The blood is in your organizations hands.
- Jhaenus Korreth
Mover Four of Harmonium

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We are not trying to force a decision. You'll have your people back along with the Scourge as soon as there are negociations, if it was not clear before. We want to sit and discuss a possibility of peace and have the hostilities halted for the time of negociations, we're not trying to directly exchange anything for a set-in-stone matter of peace like Mover Korreth wants people to believe. Handing everything and everyone over without any conditions would, in all honesty, be stupid.wrote:The Cartel is attempting to struggle out of situation they cannot win, they are losing this war and now they try to negotiate. They took their time murdering villages in the planes, they took their time murdering our people and now that they realize they are losing they are trying to negotiate and even have the nerves of trying to force us to it by reminding that they have people we care about in their hold.
Blameless? Yes, organization in whole is blameless of the murders which were the Harmonium's reason for the war. Harmonium shouldn't speak of countless murders after they start a war in revenge for their fallen comrade and those of their allies. The Scourge gave orders through private contacts, noone else but himself, the couriers and the assassins were aware of what was happening until it was ultimately late.wrote:Now they utterly and completely continue lying that they are blameless? How many have they murdered and expect to get away with it? "It wasn't us, it was my evil twin" from a person that has cloning laboratory full of people looking exactly like him.
Once again, The Harmonium started the war for their own interests. They would've started it a long time ago if their words and concerns were true. However, it was only delcared shortly after their Mover died...Before that day, you were not really concerned for taking blame of any unresolved crimes. They're now referring to rumours and 'crimes' they have no proofs of. This situation started because of three violations of Sigil's law on Sigil's turf. As for local settlements, I am sure the Harmonium can ask questions of the families that suffered and see how many of them had their fallen returned.wrote:This war will end only one way and it is unconditional surrender of Cartel for all the atrocities they have induced to the people of Sigil and to the people of Planes. Even now there are rumors of them bribing local settlements to their submission, these are the kind of people we want to leave alone? Yes we want peace, but what they are offering is NOT peace, they are offering an insult to all people that have become their victims and if we let them go all future victims will be blamed on us.
I know of the letter Scourge sent to the Signers. There was no hope for it as no real terms or solutions were offered for the situation. Why would he do that? If he wouldn't feign attempts to stop the war, the Cartel would've got rid of him a while back. Fraternity of Order was not made aware of the new evidence presented and our new statement before today. Once again, that evidence and those offers should be presented to the council as well as Fraternity of Order for a more sensible decision.wrote:The matters of war was discussed in council of Sigil, the ultimatum was clear, and the matter of Fraternity of Order not approving is an utter lie, council records can easily prove that wrong. Cartel is no longer welcome. Sure the Cartel wishes to use kind and nice words, but those words are little comfort to everyone they murdered. We have more than enough proofs of their brutality and little to no reason for peace knowing that future of Cartel will only lead to more destruction. It is criminal organization, make no mistake of anything else. What kind of merchant organization has personal army, assassins and works their way on bribing politics? And what kind of merchant organization takes part in crime syndicate of the Under Sigil? The proofs are clear... Cartel is criminal organization and now they want amnesty because they were betrayed from the inside? I'm sorry but you do not get the right after you yourself broke nearly every single law out there and continue with extortion and bribing.
-Hildmor d'Kridis.

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*Mr_Otyugh
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There are no new evidences. Nothing of the things sent to Harmonium proves your lack of guilt. Someone under influence of enchantment spell sent to Harmonium, a fragment of trapment gem sent could've been from any given time or for as conveniently short time as possible, a trapped soul sent. Yes a suitable sacrificial piece no doubt. None of this however proves that Hildmor d'Kridis wasn't orchestrating it all, considering his usual line of actions after trials or justice being served is his seeking of revenge. Judge Owen is great testament of this, even before he was murdered.
The murders fits profile and history proves it well. The "evidences" proves no lack of guilt. The time is convenient and fortuitous. The crimes of Cartel are undeniable and all evidences points at it. I'm certain the members of Cartel were "unaware" of war before it happened, I'm certain they were unaware of war while they slaughtered those villagers and their families.
As for accusation that Harmonium is the cause of murders? Was it the Harmonium that murdered villages? Was it the Harmonium that assassinated innocents? No, the Harmonium has explicit orders to apprehend alive, but if such is not possible lethal force is allowed. Casualties of Cartel have not been dealt by far by Harmonium, but rather by the people who avenged your brutal acts by brutality. We do not approve such acts of vigilantism either. At each turn the Harmonium has been the reactive.
Harmoniums own interests? What have we gained out of this war? We gain nothing but criticism, all Cartel supplies have been burnt or destroyed not made to fund Harmonium. If by own interests you mean making Multiverse more peaceful place in the long term? Yes, then we drive our own interests by removal of criminal organization.
We have proofs and we have long ago given free access to the court records of Hildmor d'Kridis trials, we also have proofs now littered around the planes for murders of innocents that refused to take bribes or attempted to help by fighting against crime. Unlike the Cartel, we are not required to lie in attempts to gain "popular support", because that is what you are trying. You are not trying to prove your innocence, you are trying to gain popular support in hopes to prevent destruction of your organization.
We will not reply in demands of criminal organizations. And it is a demand, you attempt to get the public to pressure the Harmonium. But what I will once more express that such thing is a mistake.
You may ask countless peoples around Sigil to find out what kind of organization the Cartel truly is, some victims still live, some do not. This war was not made in haste or because of single occasion despite the Cartels attempt to place bad press. It is sum of several crimes and general lack of this organizations valuing lives of free people.
I can confidently say that Harmonium was not even alone on this matter. The Factol of the Fated, Mercykillers, Doomguard, Fraternity of Order, Sign of One and even members of the Indeps and the Anarchists spoke against the Cartel. The Harmonium may be delivering this punishment, but the Harmonium is not alone in the belief of these acts.
The war is not matter of Council thus we are not required to present any evidence of such to Council. This is war between Harmonium and Cartel, it is not matter of upkeeping Sigils laws. Unless you have misunderstood the situation this is not matter of Sigil politics or laws, you attacked a multiplanar faction, and we react as a multiplanar Faction, not as Sigilian lawkeepers. Your organization should have thought before attacking us, not after.
- Jhaenus Korreth
Mover Four of Harmonium
The murders fits profile and history proves it well. The "evidences" proves no lack of guilt. The time is convenient and fortuitous. The crimes of Cartel are undeniable and all evidences points at it. I'm certain the members of Cartel were "unaware" of war before it happened, I'm certain they were unaware of war while they slaughtered those villagers and their families.
As for accusation that Harmonium is the cause of murders? Was it the Harmonium that murdered villages? Was it the Harmonium that assassinated innocents? No, the Harmonium has explicit orders to apprehend alive, but if such is not possible lethal force is allowed. Casualties of Cartel have not been dealt by far by Harmonium, but rather by the people who avenged your brutal acts by brutality. We do not approve such acts of vigilantism either. At each turn the Harmonium has been the reactive.
Harmoniums own interests? What have we gained out of this war? We gain nothing but criticism, all Cartel supplies have been burnt or destroyed not made to fund Harmonium. If by own interests you mean making Multiverse more peaceful place in the long term? Yes, then we drive our own interests by removal of criminal organization.
We have proofs and we have long ago given free access to the court records of Hildmor d'Kridis trials, we also have proofs now littered around the planes for murders of innocents that refused to take bribes or attempted to help by fighting against crime. Unlike the Cartel, we are not required to lie in attempts to gain "popular support", because that is what you are trying. You are not trying to prove your innocence, you are trying to gain popular support in hopes to prevent destruction of your organization.
We will not reply in demands of criminal organizations. And it is a demand, you attempt to get the public to pressure the Harmonium. But what I will once more express that such thing is a mistake.
You may ask countless peoples around Sigil to find out what kind of organization the Cartel truly is, some victims still live, some do not. This war was not made in haste or because of single occasion despite the Cartels attempt to place bad press. It is sum of several crimes and general lack of this organizations valuing lives of free people.
I can confidently say that Harmonium was not even alone on this matter. The Factol of the Fated, Mercykillers, Doomguard, Fraternity of Order, Sign of One and even members of the Indeps and the Anarchists spoke against the Cartel. The Harmonium may be delivering this punishment, but the Harmonium is not alone in the belief of these acts.
The war is not matter of Council thus we are not required to present any evidence of such to Council. This is war between Harmonium and Cartel, it is not matter of upkeeping Sigils laws. Unless you have misunderstood the situation this is not matter of Sigil politics or laws, you attacked a multiplanar faction, and we react as a multiplanar Faction, not as Sigilian lawkeepers. Your organization should have thought before attacking us, not after.
- Jhaenus Korreth
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*Reptiller
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Harmonium says there's no real evidence yet are afraid to hand over what they have to the Council. Harmonium say they were attacked as a multiplanar Faction, even though all the three incidents happened in Sigil and none of them were threatening to misplace a Faction's influence within the Cage and thus fall under Sigil's jurisdiction. Somehow I do not believe Factions often declare wars in Sigil if their members are slain. I cannot tell if you're lying until the Counctil's records are presented by the Council itself. I cannot however avoid saying that Cartel never murdered "villages". If you're speaking about the war in Undersigil Villlage, said villagers came at our gates armed ourselves after we gave them goods and jobs to earn money to buy said goods. They were led by fanatics of Tharizdun. I do not believe said deity or its followers need any introduction, especially to an officer of the Harmonium. When the Harmonium kindly told us that the war is getting out of hand, an agreement was achieved. I do not remember Harmonium objecting to said arrangement in any way.
I digress...the evidence presented was a man of The Scourge. I do wonder if Harmonium did not question him and check his memory for any changes as we politely asked in our letter of parley. As for the shards, even if the Harmonium spellcaster cannot tell...the Signers of the Hall of Speakers would say that it was the crystal my physical body along with the soul were kept in during the recent months.
By the way,
-Hildmor d'Kridis
I digress...the evidence presented was a man of The Scourge. I do wonder if Harmonium did not question him and check his memory for any changes as we politely asked in our letter of parley. As for the shards, even if the Harmonium spellcaster cannot tell...the Signers of the Hall of Speakers would say that it was the crystal my physical body along with the soul were kept in during the recent months.
By the way,
Contradicts withwrote:You may ask countless peoples around Sigil to find out what kind of organization the Cartel truly is, some victims still live, some do not. This war was not made in haste or because of single occasion despite the Cartels attempt to place bad press. It is sum of several crimes and general lack of this organizations valuing lives of free people.
So, before accusing somebody of lies one should get their own straight. In the meanwhile, I suggest we end this conversation and wait for a word from the Sign of One, Fraternity and other members of the Council who take interest in this issue.wrote:Unless you have misunderstood the situation this is not matter of Sigil politics or laws, you attacked a multiplanar faction, and we react as a multiplanar Faction, not as Sigilian lawkeepers. Your organization should have thought before attacking us, not after.
-Hildmor d'Kridis

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Guest Editorial, from Root-of-Nine, Merkhant
There is no profit to be had in this matter.
As someone who has spent decades among the planes, from my early dawn into true sentience to my current position as head of a plane-spanning mercantile enterprise, one thing more than any other seems to drive activity, both among mortals and immortals: profit. Whether the amassing of gold or power by adventurers and business, the struggle by the Archons of Celestia for the minds and hearts of Primes, or the everpresent barter of soul-forms by the beings of the lower planes, profit, whether to the individual, the group, or simply among the llike-minded lies at the root of all endeavor.
And so we come to the banally tiresome matter of the so-called Undersigil Cartel and its founder, a human of both keen business sense and questionable decision-making. I must agree, the removal of this group and man from the City of Doors is a profitable move, both for his competitors, of whom I admit to being myself although only in the most general of senses, and for the self-appointed Triad of Law, who find themselves needing to invest less effort and thereby profit in the investigation of the Cartel's actvities.
However, adventuresome warmaking across the planes in pursuit of a single perceived malefactor is certainly not a profitable activity. Whereas in Sigil the Harmonium hold the mandate of law at the Lady's discretion, while their strongholds upon the Primes and within Arcadia give them this dictate by the dint of holding and fortifying the land itself, their curent actions have, by my own calculations, already have more than doubled the operating expenses of the Sigilian branch of the faction, this being a pittance compared to future ill will engendered by their presence in places where they hold no mandate.
Let us return to the famed origin story of the Harmonium, where wise men of Law realized attempting to conquer the Abyss on their own was not a profitable endeavor. Do Sarin and the other leaders of today have that same wisdom, to realize that point when potential profit begins to waver towards crushing losses and insurmountable debt?
Root-of-Nine is proprietor of a sizable warehouse and storefront in the Merchant's Ward, as well as holding substantial properties and businesses within Tradegate and several dozen Prime worlds. His opinions are not necessarily those of the editorial board of S.I.G.I.S.
There is no profit to be had in this matter.
As someone who has spent decades among the planes, from my early dawn into true sentience to my current position as head of a plane-spanning mercantile enterprise, one thing more than any other seems to drive activity, both among mortals and immortals: profit. Whether the amassing of gold or power by adventurers and business, the struggle by the Archons of Celestia for the minds and hearts of Primes, or the everpresent barter of soul-forms by the beings of the lower planes, profit, whether to the individual, the group, or simply among the llike-minded lies at the root of all endeavor.
And so we come to the banally tiresome matter of the so-called Undersigil Cartel and its founder, a human of both keen business sense and questionable decision-making. I must agree, the removal of this group and man from the City of Doors is a profitable move, both for his competitors, of whom I admit to being myself although only in the most general of senses, and for the self-appointed Triad of Law, who find themselves needing to invest less effort and thereby profit in the investigation of the Cartel's actvities.
However, adventuresome warmaking across the planes in pursuit of a single perceived malefactor is certainly not a profitable activity. Whereas in Sigil the Harmonium hold the mandate of law at the Lady's discretion, while their strongholds upon the Primes and within Arcadia give them this dictate by the dint of holding and fortifying the land itself, their curent actions have, by my own calculations, already have more than doubled the operating expenses of the Sigilian branch of the faction, this being a pittance compared to future ill will engendered by their presence in places where they hold no mandate.
Let us return to the famed origin story of the Harmonium, where wise men of Law realized attempting to conquer the Abyss on their own was not a profitable endeavor. Do Sarin and the other leaders of today have that same wisdom, to realize that point when potential profit begins to waver towards crushing losses and insurmountable debt?
Root-of-Nine is proprietor of a sizable warehouse and storefront in the Merchant's Ward, as well as holding substantial properties and businesses within Tradegate and several dozen Prime worlds. His opinions are not necessarily those of the editorial board of S.I.G.I.S.

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Re: Hildmor d'Kridis & Cartel
I spoke of villagers and no I do not mean the one in Sigil, I mean the one in planes during the war, as I have already expressed this is multiplanar organizations handling which you attempt to tie to Sigil. Council of Sigil has no say outside Sigil and thus has no say on the philosophy of Harmonium or the actions of Harmonium. Certainly within Sigil they may, but to be fair quite many crimes of Cartel have already proved to happen also within Sigil, so if there's to be made judgement it should be objective decision based on all information we have not only about this quickly "found out betrayal" that is used as shield against all crimes Cartel has conducted.
As for the villagers in the Under Sigil, as far as Harmonium is informed the trigger of war was attempted usurp of power to which the villagers replied with hostility due to their religious stand, I do not consider either side blameless. If you wish support at least do as much as not to lie about your organizations deeds.
Perhaps you twice missed the fact that Council of Sigil also made ultimatum upon the choice already. There is no need to discuss after choice is made. Harmonium is not oblidged to any forms of court or investigation during state of war, it is a state you do not want us to get into as it is beyond point of no return, but as stated previously it is not done with hasty rush.
The so called "contradiction" isn't truly contradiction. It is profilization of the organization and its deeds, certainly those happened in Sigil soil, but as you attempt to call people within Sigil soil it made sense to quote these as it is easier to relate to these than matters outside Sigil that many have failed to witness. It expresses the organization being criminal. It simply takes in count that your words attempts to alter the belief of those in Sigil and we react to it as such while we persist the war elsewhere as well.
And once more with these so called "evidences" you just call the Harmonium inadept rather than accepting that the evidences weren't really all that good. to begin with.
- Jhaenus Korreth
Mover Four of Harmonium
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Re: Root-of-Nine
Correct there is no profit to be had, but the ideal of Harmonium goes beyond moneytary gain, it is ideal to bring lasting peace even if we have to fight for it. Past of Cartel speaks of conflict and unforgiving brutalities thus making temporal peace is not an option, the organization were given multiple chances as far as Harmonium is concerned, they reacted poorly upon the judgements done by courts and then went to assault Harmonium personally as well.
This matter is simple two fold matter:
- Jhaenus Korreth
Mover Four of Harmonium
I spoke of villagers and no I do not mean the one in Sigil, I mean the one in planes during the war, as I have already expressed this is multiplanar organizations handling which you attempt to tie to Sigil. Council of Sigil has no say outside Sigil and thus has no say on the philosophy of Harmonium or the actions of Harmonium. Certainly within Sigil they may, but to be fair quite many crimes of Cartel have already proved to happen also within Sigil, so if there's to be made judgement it should be objective decision based on all information we have not only about this quickly "found out betrayal" that is used as shield against all crimes Cartel has conducted.
As for the villagers in the Under Sigil, as far as Harmonium is informed the trigger of war was attempted usurp of power to which the villagers replied with hostility due to their religious stand, I do not consider either side blameless. If you wish support at least do as much as not to lie about your organizations deeds.
Perhaps you twice missed the fact that Council of Sigil also made ultimatum upon the choice already. There is no need to discuss after choice is made. Harmonium is not oblidged to any forms of court or investigation during state of war, it is a state you do not want us to get into as it is beyond point of no return, but as stated previously it is not done with hasty rush.
The so called "contradiction" isn't truly contradiction. It is profilization of the organization and its deeds, certainly those happened in Sigil soil, but as you attempt to call people within Sigil soil it made sense to quote these as it is easier to relate to these than matters outside Sigil that many have failed to witness. It expresses the organization being criminal. It simply takes in count that your words attempts to alter the belief of those in Sigil and we react to it as such while we persist the war elsewhere as well.
And once more with these so called "evidences" you just call the Harmonium inadept rather than accepting that the evidences weren't really all that good. to begin with.
- Jhaenus Korreth
Mover Four of Harmonium
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Re: Root-of-Nine
Correct there is no profit to be had, but the ideal of Harmonium goes beyond moneytary gain, it is ideal to bring lasting peace even if we have to fight for it. Past of Cartel speaks of conflict and unforgiving brutalities thus making temporal peace is not an option, the organization were given multiple chances as far as Harmonium is concerned, they reacted poorly upon the judgements done by courts and then went to assault Harmonium personally as well.
This matter is simple two fold matter:
- Outside Sigil the other factions have no say and thus is irrelevant.
- Inside Sigil Cartel still has conducted brutal crimes, many of which have been proven to courts, this last "evidence" doesn't nullify their existence as they chronologically predate the excuse of ceasing the war effort.
- Jhaenus Korreth
Mover Four of Harmonium

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To dearest Root of Nine,
Even though the current situation is only partly a fault of mine, I'll leave your comment on my intellegence remain as your personal opinion. What I do agree with is that Harmonium does not benefit from the war while I am trying to offer an actual 'beneficial' deal. I am offering them negociations of peace, on their own terms. That peace could profit them much more than the war, in so many ways.
-Hildmor d'Kridis
To Mover Jhaenus Korreth,
There was no 'usurp' of power, the Iron Tusk left and gave us the authority over the village in their stead. If we're talking of usurp of power, it was on the Tharizdunite's part. They pulled chivs the day Iron Tusk left, there was no peaceful offer of negociation towards sharing that authority.
To my knowledge, only one meeting occured and it happened long before my return. As for my evidence, you may say that it's not particularly solid but I cannot provide the rest before the Harmonium atleast says it will sit and negociate. Even if that ends poorly, they'll stilll have the three victims back along with the Scourge no matter what. Once again, I am not trying to force any decision. I want us to negociate, no more no less. I am still wondering if Factol Sarin is even aware of what I offered you and what I sent you or your response.
You claim it not be a Sigil matter...while I am already negociating peace with those the Cartel slighted during my absence. All besides you. You're taking matters from the hand of local law forces and into your own. Your troops harass travelling merchants and at this point many of the locals are more bothered by the constant Harmonium presence than ours. You say you fight for interests of many Planar settlements but noone really asked you to help to remove us. You claim knowledge of many crimes commited by our organization, yet there's nothing you could give to the courts. All the crimes -I- personally commited as proven by the courts were duly paid for, while the Cartel was not found guilty once.
Now, after I sent you an offer of negociations for peace on your own terms, freed all the war prisoners...you're still intent on harassing local borders. An interesting sort of a Peacekeeper you're being, Mover Korreth.
-Hildmor d'Kridis
Even though the current situation is only partly a fault of mine, I'll leave your comment on my intellegence remain as your personal opinion. What I do agree with is that Harmonium does not benefit from the war while I am trying to offer an actual 'beneficial' deal. I am offering them negociations of peace, on their own terms. That peace could profit them much more than the war, in so many ways.
-Hildmor d'Kridis
To Mover Jhaenus Korreth,
There was no 'usurp' of power, the Iron Tusk left and gave us the authority over the village in their stead. If we're talking of usurp of power, it was on the Tharizdunite's part. They pulled chivs the day Iron Tusk left, there was no peaceful offer of negociation towards sharing that authority.
To my knowledge, only one meeting occured and it happened long before my return. As for my evidence, you may say that it's not particularly solid but I cannot provide the rest before the Harmonium atleast says it will sit and negociate. Even if that ends poorly, they'll stilll have the three victims back along with the Scourge no matter what. Once again, I am not trying to force any decision. I want us to negociate, no more no less. I am still wondering if Factol Sarin is even aware of what I offered you and what I sent you or your response.
You claim it not be a Sigil matter...while I am already negociating peace with those the Cartel slighted during my absence. All besides you. You're taking matters from the hand of local law forces and into your own. Your troops harass travelling merchants and at this point many of the locals are more bothered by the constant Harmonium presence than ours. You say you fight for interests of many Planar settlements but noone really asked you to help to remove us. You claim knowledge of many crimes commited by our organization, yet there's nothing you could give to the courts. All the crimes -I- personally commited as proven by the courts were duly paid for, while the Cartel was not found guilty once.
Now, after I sent you an offer of negociations for peace on your own terms, freed all the war prisoners...you're still intent on harassing local borders. An interesting sort of a Peacekeeper you're being, Mover Korreth.
-Hildmor d'Kridis

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*Mr_Otyugh
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Which kind of merchant organization takes it up to take law into their own hands to control a village even against its residents will? Is that not per say very definition of usurping power? Reports say you chose to instead fight them than take in count their beliefs or in any shape or form truly make diplomacy. Fraternity of Order later reported also that your authority was given illegally, thus usurping power and lead to creation of the new organization to which authority was handed legally.
We have made it adamantly clear that Harmonium is in state of war against Cartel, it should come of no surprise that all members of Cartel will be subject of it. You are not a country thus you have no civilian population, you are organization which only has members and each member is equally responsible. If they are innocent they are free to revoke their membership and join organizations that are less criminal than Cartel.
Is Factol Sarin aware? Please... this is public magazine, everyone that can read or cares are aware. I was placed in charge of this operations because Factol has far more important matters to attend to than single criminal organization that has proven its position in wellfare of the people time and time again.
Merchants are always bothered if their time is taken or matters that can affect to their moneytary position, but I can confidently say that our actions are commended by the victims and the people whom suffer from the bribes and crimes of Cartel. I'm sure some merchant organizations will say anything as long as they get money out of it, however Harmonium is different, money is not our ideology. We make long lasting peace by removing criminal organizations that have history and future of criminal actions within and outside Sigil.
Harmonium philosophy is simple and often misunderstood or attempted to be used against the Harmony members: Peace is our goal. But if it takes a little war to get others to set things right, the Harmonium way, so be it. ThatÂ’s how weÂ’ll reach our golden harmony.
Harmonium will not let you walk away from your war crimes. As I have stated multiple times, there is only one way this war ends and it is if Cartel surrenders or is destroyed and then there is peace. There will be no negotiations with criminals.
Now all that this goes down to is you wishing to gain the last say so that you gain public to pressure Harmonium against better judgement and without any conceavable evidences why they should let criminal organization back to Sigil streets just because they "were betrayed from within".
- Jhaenus Korreth
Mover Four of Harmonium
We have made it adamantly clear that Harmonium is in state of war against Cartel, it should come of no surprise that all members of Cartel will be subject of it. You are not a country thus you have no civilian population, you are organization which only has members and each member is equally responsible. If they are innocent they are free to revoke their membership and join organizations that are less criminal than Cartel.
Is Factol Sarin aware? Please... this is public magazine, everyone that can read or cares are aware. I was placed in charge of this operations because Factol has far more important matters to attend to than single criminal organization that has proven its position in wellfare of the people time and time again.
Merchants are always bothered if their time is taken or matters that can affect to their moneytary position, but I can confidently say that our actions are commended by the victims and the people whom suffer from the bribes and crimes of Cartel. I'm sure some merchant organizations will say anything as long as they get money out of it, however Harmonium is different, money is not our ideology. We make long lasting peace by removing criminal organizations that have history and future of criminal actions within and outside Sigil.
Harmonium philosophy is simple and often misunderstood or attempted to be used against the Harmony members: Peace is our goal. But if it takes a little war to get others to set things right, the Harmonium way, so be it. ThatÂ’s how weÂ’ll reach our golden harmony.
Harmonium will not let you walk away from your war crimes. As I have stated multiple times, there is only one way this war ends and it is if Cartel surrenders or is destroyed and then there is peace. There will be no negotiations with criminals.
Now all that this goes down to is you wishing to gain the last say so that you gain public to pressure Harmonium against better judgement and without any conceavable evidences why they should let criminal organization back to Sigil streets just because they "were betrayed from within".
- Jhaenus Korreth
Mover Four of Harmonium
