E-NOW: Dialog

*The Lady With the Pet Dog
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Posted by *The Lady With the Pet Dog »


Facts:

The recent initiative in the Hive, known as ENOW has been garnering attention of late - most of it surprisingly negative. Sure, it seems nice at face value that they're attempting to make a difference in the Hive, but why are so many Hivers against the idea?

Angle? Not mine this time Sigil, but I've been interviewing those in the Hive, and here is what they've had to say about the project:

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Jenshamah Vyao - city developer based out of the Red Light District:

'ivers don't like being told what tae do (just ask th' 'ardheads). They want to plan out their own schools, and buildings, and infrastructure otherwise - wifout being ....ovahseen. Something about this whole initiative seems a bit tae...imperialistic. Izzit necessary tae exert so much influence in the Hive in order to assist them poor sods? My suggestoin:make dis a project fo Hivers BY Hivers. Remove them proxies, soldiers (be they La Meor mercenaries, Orc tribes, or whoever), and for the sake of Tyr, remove them grandiose headquartahs. Ye wan' people 'ere tae take you serious? Then let 'em control their own destinee. Ye're welcome if ye're 'ere tae really 'elp us. Ye ain't welcome if ye're anotha ganglord lookin' fer a piece of th' action.

(This Hiver chose to remain anonymous as he claimed that he didn't want to be "Scribed by Neli's Orcs")

People have been chirping around in the Hive of an Orc tribe being used as the "muscle" of this operation - subjugating Hivers like to unspeakable punishments. ...And what exactly happened to the residential area that once stood where the ENOW headquarters now does? Did the numerous Hivers who lived in the residential building simply leave their lifetime homes to accommodate an outsider's vision? I'm telling you, something stinks here. They're up to something, I just KNOW it....



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There you have it, the opinion on the streets. I shall continue to interview Hivers for their angle on the matter and publish it in SIGIS, keeping the rest of the City in tune with the pulse of the Hive.


**Oerianna Vaas**



((Anyone who wants to contribute as an NPC Hiver can add a reply to this thread. Keep in mind that Oerianna won't publish what appears to be faction or La Meor propoganda)).
*Uneatable Financier
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Posted by *Uneatable Financier »


Salutations Riagrim Thenill,

This is slightly amusing to read on paper as I had expressed the exact same matter to lady La Meor just earlier today. Needless to say the matter will be looked upon, as of now I cannot comment of exact measures that will be taken, not because I am prohibited, but because I do not know what will be decided. We are however in entire agreement that for our project it does seem awfully suspicious especially during this tension.

I will try my best to keep you informed after we have a proper reply to give.

Corwyn Lux
Envoy of Heironeus
Captain of the Crimson Guard


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Salutations Vernon Physostigmine,

Thank you for expressing your concerns. And you are correct, we are trying to appease the riled up folk. I would much rather discuss how we can co-exist than solve the matter by blades and if it comes to latter, I would much rather be myself struct than strike any citizen, it is not what I signed up for and it is not anything we're planning for.

Today myself and Neli met with a Hiver, he didn't strictly want to be aligned with us so I will not publish his name, but he did eventually see reason in our plans. This is what we hope in the very least, to be able to hear concerns and then express our vision. We learned a great deal of the traditions of Hive and the mindset and we will without doubt adjust our methods. I will not ask for your trust, it has to be earned, but what I will ask is patience.

I also met today with my second in command to discuss security matters. I was given elaborate and creative plans of hiding our units and recruiting members of Hive to act for us. If this was matter of war, these would be perfectly fine. I however declined, this is not what we stand for and if we would be threatened by an assault which in other terms means my options are to fight and possibly kill civilians or admit that I have failed and walk away. It will be the second that will be chosen first. No money is worth killing or dying for. But we do believe this goal is worth placing work and unremitting dedication upon for not to our generation, but the generations that will follow.

There is great many people whom say that this will fail. Perhaps it is so, but what I would like to believe is that as long as people keep trying there will be hope, as soon as we cease trying, that is when we truly fail.

Corwyn Lux
Envoy of Heironeus
Captain of the Crimson Guard
*PigeonStalker
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Posted by *PigeonStalker »


Backers of E-NOW,

The first time you stepped into the Hive, I am sure you all saw exactly what I saw: misery, deprivation and hopelessness, made all the worse by the necessary relative nearness of the opulent Lady's Ward. And I'm sure you all had exactly the same thought I did. What was needed was... Ilmatari.

It is ingenious. The power of Ilmatari to elicit aid from the rich is uncanny, so a fine ring of churches and monasteries in His name could provide a safe, reliable vector to redistribute wealth and opportunities: furthermore, free school and hospitals operated by my brethren would ensure a healthy, motivated generation willing to drag themselves and their kinsmen out of their void of suffering. Perfect, no?

Though, of course, friends, you didn't think that. A rich man (or, should it be the case, woman) who approves of Ilmater, for one thing, is either lying about being rich or lying about their approval; for another, you might see the charitable approach as inviting these worthless poor of the Hive to never do a moment's work in their life, so comfortable they would be to eat on our expense the rest of their days. I respectfully disagree - but then, it is irrelevant.

See, whether it be myself stepping into the Hive and visualising Ilmatari aid, a Taker imagining potential fat coinpurses for the taxing or a Hardhead dreaming of a bloody purge to finally put down the den of crime and Anarchy, we none of us know firsthand the hopes of the people we want to help. Do you, Miss Meor and associates?

I do not presume you selfless, of course. A pacified, educated Hive would be a centre of eager, grateful new potential customers and employees, which - despite being nothing of the businessman myself - I imagine you commercial people like. But if I assume for a moment that you really concern yourselves with the lives of these men, women and children, why do you proceed on your own terms rather than theirs? Guards, swords and unsolicited construction doesn't smell like the development of the Hive Ward... it has the stench of annexation. If you want to help, you will not act on the behalf of the people of the Hive, or even hand in hand with them; you will let them lead you.

I am fully aware, yes, that I write 'on behalf' of the Hivers I mention. Shush.

Yours,
Wren the Hypocrite Monk
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Posted by *Uneatable Financier »


Salutations Wren,

Well I have to admit this was a bit unexpected. Are you not one whom provide charity in the Hive as well? I believe I was even asked to join, but eventually had to decline due to visionary differences.

I believe expression "worthless poor" is entirely unwarranted in your behalf, I understand the poor as it is known to be area of poverty, but a person is never worthless, it would also be quite the prejudice to give no chance to every member of Hive.

As for the hopes of people? What does any man or woman hope? A bit of land and a home to call their own, enough food to keep them sated and enough money to make them able to participate to matters that costs. From ideological stand it is freedom, they wish to live their own lives, life without dependancy or oppression.

Enterprise NOW is not meant as means to govern lives of people or grow them dependant, it is but a jumping point from which an opportunity to get onwards is given. Through education opens up employment, if matters are opened perhaps even good business ideas may be given a loan to start up business.

As for the presence of armed guard, while we would wish to withdraw these at soonest opportunity however it is not unknown that it is dangerous portion of the city and to place the workers to danger would be unnecessary. The second problem is theft of the charity supplies, situation in Hive would not change much if only thing that occurred was that the existing elite of Hive snatched all of the charity supplies rather than fair and equal distribution. Not all of us are monks that require no armor and no weapons to defend themselves.

In our long term plans it is indeed intention to allow the citizen of Hive Ward to start to govern the matters more and more themselves, initially Enterprise NOW intends to give it a push start by constructing the proper facilities and providing education. We have discussed about the option to open more opportunities for members of Hive to participate even on building progress, I'm certain we will receive ultimatum during the upcoming meeting.

Corwyn Lux
Envoy of Heironeus
Captain of the Crimson Guard
*Azulfae
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Posted by *Azulfae »


Vorgazar sits on a wall near the development whilst the small group of Tus'Kor from his tribe who were originally Orphan's from the hive, spend their time building and labouring.

He pays a small boy an acheron cube to read him the article.


"Fook me, youz would think I had da whole tribe in here, throwin dems weight around. Is not even a dozen fookin bluudz and when da fook did dems start bein da heavies for dis project I thought Neli had some fookers doin all dat official like. Crimson guard or somefink.

Dis Oerianna Vaas must be one of dems Cartel uh.. Consortitel whutever da fook Hildmor's lot are called now who don't like Neli's community werk.

Vorgazar beckons over his mountain orc entourage JimJam and hands him the Sigis.

"Take dis paper to da Harmonium, tell dems der a lot of slander in dis article and da only explanation for wantin to does it is cos da reporter must be Cartel or uh whutever dems callin demselfz nows. Better get da bitch investigates before I does it orc style."
*Uneatable Financier
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Posted by *Uneatable Financier »


Salutations Jenshamah Vyao,

I understand your concerns, however it is to me quite disheartening to hear that the project would get such a bad press out of prejudice. Enterprise - NOW project is not one which will govern lifes of those in Hive, but one which will open an opportunity for those that wish to take a part. The people of Hive that do not wish to take part, are of course given freedom to stay apart.

The Hive residents of course wish to govern their own homes, to this they have without doubt their rights. This is of course your home. Let us consider this from chronological point of view, how many centuries or perhaps even how many millenias has the Hive lived in poverty with the current Hive governing method? How many more will have to come until a helping hand will no longer be cast aside?

We can look at the business model that is currently going in the Hive Ward, I cannot even begin to fathom how many thousands of gold coins are being bled to this movement, a movement of charity. The fundings are literally given away for a chance for people whom wish to gain a housing, to gain education and to gain their share of daily food. So what is it the Meor industries gain out of this? In short run nothing. In long run if succesful? Perhaps trade partners, possibly employees. In long run if failure? Loss of hundreds of thousands jink. This doesn't sound like means to use the locals for profit, so what other purpose could there possibly be?

The implications of dictatorship or taking over via methods of armed presence? If such is to happen, I will personally apprehend any members and surrender myself to legal authority, since if it does happen, I have failed on my duty. I am the captain of the projects guard, but first and foremost... I am servant of Heironeus. I do not impose my faith to others, but I will live by his code.

Situation regarding the orcs was an unfortunate one. And I will also make it clear, this was action of individuals, one which Enterprise Now project will not tolerate. There has been dozens of murders in the Hive months before this project even started, do I blame the Hive as a whole? No... such would be unfair and unjust to the residents. I blame the individuals whom conducted such brutality.

This case however brought up a rising issue, the people of Hive wants no occupation nor an imposed share of laws which is to be expected. However same time they expect us to govern and guard. Yet if we would do so, then we will get back to the hostile occupation. This is a situation where we will be blamed regardless and we are trying to maintain a simple peace by using our guards to keep the workers safe. So please, in-case of rising issues contact a legal authority and the members of the project will give this their compliance.

To the last lines of Enterprise NOW being up to something is entirely correct. The intents have been published. If you wish to monitor the building process as well as the business, I personally welcome you. We do not really have anything to hide.

Please do keep publishing your concerns, it is entirely natural and we even wish that you will express them. I or another representative will reply with best of our knowledge and capability to all of these.

Corwyn Lux
Envoy of Heironeus
Captain of the Crimson Guard

*sent to the S.I.G.I.S. initially to Oerianna, but as the reply didn't seem to get through, it was then sent to another author instead to get it published*
*The Lady With the Pet Dog
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Posted by *The Lady With the Pet Dog »


*The SIGIS author who Corwyn sent the article to would forward it to Oerianna out of deference of it being a response to her original article. After taking a brief look through it, Oerianna would publish the response in a separate column, not under "Hiver's Testimonials" but under: E NOW's response.*
*The Lady With the Pet Dog
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Posted by *The Lady With the Pet Dog »


Hello Again Sigil,

It seems I've ruffled a few feathers. E-NOWs response was quick and eloquent (attached below). It's about time E-NOW started to care about their public image and acknowledge the voices of the common man. We'll see how the Hivers respond as I continue my investigative report.

-Oerianna Vaas.

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Salutations Jenshamah Vyao,

I understand your concerns, however it is to me quite disheartening to hear that the project would get such a bad press out of prejudice. Enterprise - NOW project is not one which will govern lifes of those in Hive, but one which will open an opportunity for those that wish to take a part. The people of Hive that do not wish to take part, are of course given freedom to stay apart.

The Hive residents of course wish to govern their own homes, to this they have without doubt their rights. This is of course your home. Let us consider this from chronological point of view, how many centuries or perhaps even how many millenias has the Hive lived in poverty with the current Hive governing method? How many more will have to come until a helping hand will no longer be cast aside?

We can look at the business model that is currently going in the Hive Ward, I cannot even begin to fathom how many thousands of gold coins are being bled to this movement, a movement of charity. The fundings are literally given away for a chance for people whom wish to gain a housing, to gain education and to gain their share of daily food. So what is it the Meor industries gain out of this? In short run nothing. In long run if succesful? Perhaps trade partners, possibly employees. In long run if failure? Loss of hundreds of thousands jink. This doesn't sound like means to use the locals for profit, so what other purpose could there possibly be?

The implications of dictatorship or taking over via methods of armed presence? If such is to happen, I will personally apprehend any members and surrender myself to legal authority, since if it does happen, I have failed on my duty. I am the captain of the projects guard, but first and foremost... I am servant of Heironeus. I do not impose my faith to others, but I will live by his code.

Situation regarding the orcs was an unfortunate one. And I will also make it clear, this was action of individuals, one which Enterprise Now project will not tolerate. There has been dozens of murders in the Hive months before this project even started, do I blame the Hive as a whole? No... such would be unfair and unjust to the residents. I blame the individuals whom conducted such brutality.

This case however brought up a rising issue, the people of Hive wants no occupation nor an imposed share of laws which is to be expected. However same time they expect us to govern and guard. Yet if we would do so, then we will get back to the hostile occupation. This is a situation where we will be blamed regardless and we are trying to maintain a simple peace by using our guards to keep the workers safe. So please, in-case of rising issues contact a legal authority and the members of the project will give this their compliance.

To the last lines of Enterprise NOW being up to something is entirely correct. The intents have been published. If you wish to monitor the building process as well as the business, I personally welcome you. We do not really have anything to hide.

Please do keep publishing your concerns, it is entirely natural and we even wish that you will express them. I or another representative will reply with best of our knowledge and capability to all of these.

Corwyn Lux
Envoy of Heironeus
Captain of the Crimson Guard
*The Lady With the Pet Dog
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Posted by *The Lady With the Pet Dog »


((Courtesy of Favea Catena!))


An letter is delivered to S.I.G.I.S., specifically addressed to Oerianna Vass, in response to the printing of E-NOW's comment. It is published shortly.

Seriously, you print that pile of shite from E-NOW without much comment, without setting the record straight? The new big bully moving in has already displaced people, so that people that do not wish to take part being given freedom to stay apart is about as blatant a lie as it will get. How's about pointing that out, for a start?

Also, for those unfamiliar with the prime called Oerth, you realize the followers of Heironeous are generally a bloody militaristic lot? Because you see among other things, that particular false god is one of war. And I'm sure as anyone who has any experience with the oh so harmonious Hardheads can attest, a self-righteous warmonger won't take too long to find reasons to go smacking down Hivers because they don't like their brand of law. Quite a trustworty voice E-NOW speaks to Hivers with there, don't you figure?

As for the intents having been published, that goes a long way toward proving just how badly E-NOW wants to keep the people of the Hive uninformed. I mean, surely an organization looking to build schools would know how many Hivers can't even read, and would've sent criers to deliver the news to those most directly affected? If they actually cared, that is.

I have no doubt the orc incidents were secretly welcomed by E-NOW as chance to show some muscle of their own: any group of bullys trying to take over a cage will do some flexing as early as it can.

E-NOW still has a chance to prove they're better than they've shown so far, but when they fail to do so, they'll find some of us have a habit of smacking down bullies.

Publish this if you will.

~Raptor~
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Posted by *silinrul357 »


Another response soon finds itself in SIGIS. Not only that, some criers are soon paid to spread this word throughout Sigil, including the Hive.

Greetings Readers of the City of Doors.

In light of the most recent response to the response, I felt to give a Third Response. Who I am? Doesn't matter, but I ask you citizens to first question the worth of those that are doing all the heckling, and truly if they do care.

True, many cannot read. Isn't that the purpose of schools? To teach others if they can read? And the writer of this letter is by no means a fan of paladins. Indeed, I find myself more at odds with them than anything, and I am in no means a fan of them oppressing their views onto us, the citizens of the cage.

So let me ask this: if their point is that the E-NOW was insensitive about how most Hivers cannot read, why did they make a post in SIGIS, of all things, for them to read? How come it is that all they can do is insult, yet they offer no solutions? Is their solution to go back to the way things were, to have the people downtrodden and poor, living in detestable positions? Yes, that is caring. How about the fact that all they have done is given supposed propaganda and what can only be backed up by heckling? I offer you fact. Meor Industries have invested in this at -no- personal gain. If you check any financial record here, and I guarantee you that you can do so fairly easily, they are suffering a rather large loss on this project. Furthermore, this "paladin" in charge of the guards? Well, how many reports have you heard of him acting outside his duty as a guard? Good luck finding an answer greater than zero.

So, this reader and ally to the hive is, frankly, sick of all the heckling to these great people. I'm not for oppression, or doing things the way of the Hardheads and only them, but the facts are facts, and those facts are that E-NOW has been nothing but productive for the people so far, and only they who are blatantly terrorist in themselves and wish for a people that are ignorant, are they who oppose them.

And in doing so, you oppose the development of the people. So in truth, YOU are the enemy of the people, and may it one day be the mazes for you.

~Blue Shadows
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