The halfling looks around.
"Who else is supporting this motion? I remind this council that a simple majority is need for it to pass."
Of course a Hardhead mover lifts his hand almost immediately which earns him a muttered "No surprise." from one of the Athar.
Speech In The Hall Of Speakers
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*Hydra
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Kala frowned as she heard Sasha, then indifferently listened as the members of the triad spoke, When she received a paper back and smiled faintly and rose to speak.
Members of the council, the judge has indeed asked a rightful question, that I am going to answer : The council laws are effective in all Sigil and thus no one should be able to avoid them, and it'll remain the same. Whatever we do on our own territories away from the city is our business, but here in Sigil independence is out of question we have to live together and form a society, this implies making compromises but also shifting the rules to correct issues. Before the invasion, we had made compromises, allowing the Triad to investigate our buildings, denying some of our own privacy in the name of law and this has led to abuses and situations we all regret. Its now time for the Triad to make compromises.
Law is a mold, but molds have to be reshaped over time, or we risk stagnation and this kind of stagnation is what the far realm invaders have exploited. We need something more flexible, that doesnÂ’t betray our core principles. This is why I ask for more autonomy, not independence. When I speak about collaboration, I speak about all of us working to apply the council law. Sigil isn't all about faction halls and the triad will keep its authority and mandate in all the other places. Faction halls should remain under the council law, but in no way should we agree to see them arbitrarily locked down against our will, nor should the Triad be allowed to enter as they see fit.
Why ? Because all the factions are constitutive parts of Sigil's society body we all are in charge of a building of importance, and we can keep it secure and lawful as much as any individual does in his personal propriety, should any issue that needs the triad intervention come, you will be welcomed by those who abide to the law. As I previously said, the factions not willing to abide by the law of the council will dangerously get themselves in the same political situation as the revolutionary league : begin not officially recognized as a part of our society, this is the best guarantee you could ever ask for people to behave.
We aren't just rebellious hounds waiting to be tamed by the law when the Triad perceives we deserve to be corrected. We are people, sometimes with different opinions, and contrary to what Madam Andor, who is married with a Mercykiller, tries to imply, we all fought during the crisis but our way, and we aren't asking for a public glorification of our work and sacrifices, we simply did what we had to. Expecting all the factions to fight as the Triad did when they do not even have half of its military forces and are dedicated to other objectives in life than “fighting”, isn't reasonable and when the Takers wanted to assist, they got indeed dismissed by the Mercykillers who preferred to employ proxy mercenaries instead and this isn't a fool's rumor.
She looked at the ranks of the Mercykillers and the Harmonium
Allow me to repeat myself again, we want to work with you but the facts, perhaps even the rumors, proven and unproven are asking our reason to remain vigilant. We have currently witnessed it, here, right now, that some among your ranks have shattered the whole principle of the triad of law as an united force for order, dissident voices speaking against their own allies, while arrogantly dismissing the voice and worries of others as incoherent.
Kala then looked at the whole audience, her tone seeming more filled with emotion than previously.
I'm against the motion of the judge Garen, we have to vote now and settle this issue for good, we are the people, we are Sigil, this is our law !
She then looked in Emila's direction and briefly nodded
Members of the council, the judge has indeed asked a rightful question, that I am going to answer : The council laws are effective in all Sigil and thus no one should be able to avoid them, and it'll remain the same. Whatever we do on our own territories away from the city is our business, but here in Sigil independence is out of question we have to live together and form a society, this implies making compromises but also shifting the rules to correct issues. Before the invasion, we had made compromises, allowing the Triad to investigate our buildings, denying some of our own privacy in the name of law and this has led to abuses and situations we all regret. Its now time for the Triad to make compromises.
Law is a mold, but molds have to be reshaped over time, or we risk stagnation and this kind of stagnation is what the far realm invaders have exploited. We need something more flexible, that doesnÂ’t betray our core principles. This is why I ask for more autonomy, not independence. When I speak about collaboration, I speak about all of us working to apply the council law. Sigil isn't all about faction halls and the triad will keep its authority and mandate in all the other places. Faction halls should remain under the council law, but in no way should we agree to see them arbitrarily locked down against our will, nor should the Triad be allowed to enter as they see fit.
Why ? Because all the factions are constitutive parts of Sigil's society body we all are in charge of a building of importance, and we can keep it secure and lawful as much as any individual does in his personal propriety, should any issue that needs the triad intervention come, you will be welcomed by those who abide to the law. As I previously said, the factions not willing to abide by the law of the council will dangerously get themselves in the same political situation as the revolutionary league : begin not officially recognized as a part of our society, this is the best guarantee you could ever ask for people to behave.
We aren't just rebellious hounds waiting to be tamed by the law when the Triad perceives we deserve to be corrected. We are people, sometimes with different opinions, and contrary to what Madam Andor, who is married with a Mercykiller, tries to imply, we all fought during the crisis but our way, and we aren't asking for a public glorification of our work and sacrifices, we simply did what we had to. Expecting all the factions to fight as the Triad did when they do not even have half of its military forces and are dedicated to other objectives in life than “fighting”, isn't reasonable and when the Takers wanted to assist, they got indeed dismissed by the Mercykillers who preferred to employ proxy mercenaries instead and this isn't a fool's rumor.
She looked at the ranks of the Mercykillers and the Harmonium
Allow me to repeat myself again, we want to work with you but the facts, perhaps even the rumors, proven and unproven are asking our reason to remain vigilant. We have currently witnessed it, here, right now, that some among your ranks have shattered the whole principle of the triad of law as an united force for order, dissident voices speaking against their own allies, while arrogantly dismissing the voice and worries of others as incoherent.
Kala then looked at the whole audience, her tone seeming more filled with emotion than previously.
I'm against the motion of the judge Garen, we have to vote now and settle this issue for good, we are the people, we are Sigil, this is our law !
She then looked in Emila's direction and briefly nodded
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Not being able to see at the moment, the blindfolded man fails to witness the said nod. Granted such is quite common in his presence anyway. Scamp rises to speak next once more.Selebius,Oct 2 2014 wrote:He nods into Scamp's direction, confirming what he said- but then lets the discussion go on.
Just for the sake of clarity. Are we voting for the motion to pass the alterations of law, or the motion to adjourn the vote of the former? contemplating a while before continuing.
Granted I do not believe the reply in either case would be that much different. While I will most definitely convene with the rest of the Sensates for an official answer, my personal feeling to both of these as I already once mentioned is that passing new laws based upon manipulation is hardly necessary, what good is that going to do when a hostile invasion force attempts to take over the minds of the Cagers? Not to mention the manipulated won't be held accountable because of being manipulated. Surely we're not going to arrest them and give them fines for it rather than try to find methods how not to be manipulated?
He appeared a little amused of the prospects As for stalling the process of decisions, that's a waste of everyones time to make another of these sessions or three. We're not really deciding over the fate of Sigil in this as we have no authority over such notions unless someone had been under impression of otherwise, merely some interfactional relations which is ever changing regardless. Fairly sure we all have a good view whether or not the past events be they true or not consent decision even without spending the next few years arguing about it since none of our factions can really get into agreement.
He fidgets a moment before continuing once more Now that I've opposed both the propositions, mine is not a proposition at all, unless I change my mind later. And perhaps it is unfair of me to moan as a casual mischief, but I see an alarming notion from the Triad of Law of assumed privileges they have, there was a major undertone that they believe to be able to just barge anywhere because they decide so, as if no one but their three factions had no say.
And this I feel is important to mention; your Triad is working in the interest of your own faction and their philosophies as are we all, not for the interest of this council per say. Now I understand how tempting it is to try to vouch for the alternative, but if we truly believed such to be true, we would be driving for the unity of the Cage, not for the authority of individual factions, and especially not try to diminish the authority of rest of the twelve factions.
That said, I'm perfectly fine of you keeping the streets clean of Knights of the Post, that however does not mean you should feel as if you're ruling the Sigil or that you alone can decide what you do, when and to whom. Instead of looking to change things just yet, I believe it's time to take a look at just where these patrols and investigations can occur currently without diplomacy in its many forms.
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*DarkArc
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"I ask that all within the Hall among factions that have not spoken their minds strongly consider the motivations behind this motion to change the law. Look at how these changes will affect the Cage in the long term rather than the instant satisfaction it offers those tired of the current status quo. Look at what has motivated it: the invasion. If the invaders taught us one thing, it is that the process of the law needs a contingency plan in the state of emergency, not to try to re-invent the wheel by giving each faction their own islands to govern outside of the council's law. That is why this bill is trying to be passed, yes? To close out our vulnerabilities? We need a means of cutting out the corruption quicker, not opening ourselves up to further exploitation.
I ask the Hall to join Judge Garen's motion and put an end to this bickering. All that is being said now is the he said, she said of common children. It is clear to me that those assembled here have a lot to think about."
I ask the Hall to join Judge Garen's motion and put an end to this bickering. All that is being said now is the he said, she said of common children. It is clear to me that those assembled here have a lot to think about."
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*Madnobody629
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A black and red armored woman would stand, looking over the assembled. When she spoke her tone would be sharp with an edge of joviality.
"Good cycle to you,the assembled. I am Rozalina Zarovan, a Namer of the Mercy Killers. While I have little doubt that my comparatively low rank will likely cause some of our...esteemed personages to disregard my words I feel someone ought to be saying them. Put simply I feel one ought to address this farce as the blatant attempt to wriggle out of being accountable to the law that it is.
Now, before half the assembled leap to their feet in outrage I feel it important to take a moment toanswer some of the points brought up by the Triads many...critics. Many mention the possession of our Factol, and the corruption of an unfortunate number of our ranks....while glossing over the fact that this could literally happen to almost any of you. I put it to you as such...who here is truly immune to magical or psychic control? Who feels like proving it? What you mark as a failure, as evidence of incompetence has not happened to you,perhaps because currently no force views you as worth taking off the table. Do not delude yourselves into imagining yourselves superior simply because no ones bothered to take such a shot.
Now let us examine the pitfall inherent to allowing the non Triad factions to police themselves, to only be held accountable by their own agreement at the time..to settle their own maters, free of interference; simply put,none of you are qualified to do so. By your very allegiances you have put your focus elsewhere. The Triad focuses on law...on enforcement, on adjudication, and yes, on punishment.
I would not dream of telling a Dustman how to look into the mysteries of oblivion. I would not tell our beloved Takers how Togo about on their tax schedules. I would never dream of telling the Godsmen how they should view theological matters. By taking on such philosophies you not of the Triad have devoted your lives to other things, and this is as I should be... But just as I would never attempt to tell a Taker how to collect taxes I would never, ever give them the reigns to self government...they follow a philosophy of taking what they believe to have,nebulously, earned. They must be regulated, lest their hunger reduce this city to bare bones which would then be sold to anyone with scraps left. This is just an example. The Triad enforces law and order because we are the only ones with the will and dedication to devote our existence to what is at heart an unpleasant unpopular task. Of course none of you wish us to be able to impose the law upon you. Nobody ever enjoys being told what to do...but by our very philosophies we are the ones fit to do so. This is our niche, as you have yours.
Have their been those unfit in our ranks? Of course. I challenge each of you to look through your histories and show that you have not also had your failures and bad eggs. I agree that we must alter our own standards a policies to prevent such tragedies occurring again... But removing your own accountability...telling us to work off the honor system, promise we will police our own,honest,no need to bother officer....that will merely make the system even more complicated, and ineffective...and the only people who will truly profit are those looking to abuse the system in the first place. Thank you for your time. May the expected outrage at my candor be brief."
"Good cycle to you,the assembled. I am Rozalina Zarovan, a Namer of the Mercy Killers. While I have little doubt that my comparatively low rank will likely cause some of our...esteemed personages to disregard my words I feel someone ought to be saying them. Put simply I feel one ought to address this farce as the blatant attempt to wriggle out of being accountable to the law that it is.
Now, before half the assembled leap to their feet in outrage I feel it important to take a moment toanswer some of the points brought up by the Triads many...critics. Many mention the possession of our Factol, and the corruption of an unfortunate number of our ranks....while glossing over the fact that this could literally happen to almost any of you. I put it to you as such...who here is truly immune to magical or psychic control? Who feels like proving it? What you mark as a failure, as evidence of incompetence has not happened to you,perhaps because currently no force views you as worth taking off the table. Do not delude yourselves into imagining yourselves superior simply because no ones bothered to take such a shot.
Now let us examine the pitfall inherent to allowing the non Triad factions to police themselves, to only be held accountable by their own agreement at the time..to settle their own maters, free of interference; simply put,none of you are qualified to do so. By your very allegiances you have put your focus elsewhere. The Triad focuses on law...on enforcement, on adjudication, and yes, on punishment.
I would not dream of telling a Dustman how to look into the mysteries of oblivion. I would not tell our beloved Takers how Togo about on their tax schedules. I would never dream of telling the Godsmen how they should view theological matters. By taking on such philosophies you not of the Triad have devoted your lives to other things, and this is as I should be... But just as I would never attempt to tell a Taker how to collect taxes I would never, ever give them the reigns to self government...they follow a philosophy of taking what they believe to have,nebulously, earned. They must be regulated, lest their hunger reduce this city to bare bones which would then be sold to anyone with scraps left. This is just an example. The Triad enforces law and order because we are the only ones with the will and dedication to devote our existence to what is at heart an unpleasant unpopular task. Of course none of you wish us to be able to impose the law upon you. Nobody ever enjoys being told what to do...but by our very philosophies we are the ones fit to do so. This is our niche, as you have yours.
Have their been those unfit in our ranks? Of course. I challenge each of you to look through your histories and show that you have not also had your failures and bad eggs. I agree that we must alter our own standards a policies to prevent such tragedies occurring again... But removing your own accountability...telling us to work off the honor system, promise we will police our own,honest,no need to bother officer....that will merely make the system even more complicated, and ineffective...and the only people who will truly profit are those looking to abuse the system in the first place. Thank you for your time. May the expected outrage at my candor be brief."
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*MimiFearthegn
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While Rozalina talks, Sasha goes over to where Scamp is sitting, and confers with the other Sensates in hushed tones.
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*MimiFearthegn
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After conferring, Sasha stood up again:
"Just to follow up what Scamp said earlier: in the interests of not prolonging this discussion for weeks, if not months, more, I second Factor Ta'Kan's motion to vote on the unaltered bill now.
"And for the record, unless our esteemed Factol and Factors would like to correct me, my vote is against Factor Ta'Kan's bill."
"Just to follow up what Scamp said earlier: in the interests of not prolonging this discussion for weeks, if not months, more, I second Factor Ta'Kan's motion to vote on the unaltered bill now.
"And for the record, unless our esteemed Factol and Factors would like to correct me, my vote is against Factor Ta'Kan's bill."
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*Hydra
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Kala sent back a paper only to receive one soon after. She nodded in the direction of the Guvner ranks.
- As we all noticed, this debate has raised a lot of passion about the current issues. I do think it is for the best we do have a brief recess to discuss certain issues and calm our minds.
As the recess started, Kala quickly moved towards the Guvner ranks to speak with Garen.
- As we all noticed, this debate has raised a lot of passion about the current issues. I do think it is for the best we do have a brief recess to discuss certain issues and calm our minds.
As the recess started, Kala quickly moved towards the Guvner ranks to speak with Garen.