"...and once again "officer" Ta'kan illustrates her inability to listen to anything that has been said at all during this entire meeting, most especially the part where the Red Death has explicitly stated its stance on the massacare proposition she mentions. I'll break this down for you again miss Ta'kan: We do -not condone it. We do not intend to push it. We want the exact oposite, which is why we pushed for the Triad to -not- pull out of the Hive!
And as for the arrest matter... yes, thank you officers... " He says to the rest. "We are not asking for the right to actively patrol the streets or do your job, nor are we suggesting we'd even want to replace your forces. All we are asking for is that the Harmonium not respond to our aid in such cases with outright hostility, as seems to have been the case over the last year all too often. "
Triad Discussions - Issues To Solve
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*DarkArc
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Charae tilted her head, looking at Shana. "We already stated that the vast majority of our order does not support Justice Merium Pinklily's personal views. I even stated it violates our tenets, so even if that is what Pinklily wanted to do, she is oath bound against it. I am not sure how I can better illustrate that point without commissioning a giant sign. And Justice Dace said exactly what I was about to. Would you like me to say it again or should I find a Mimir to put it on an endless loop for you? Because I am tired of repeating myself."
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*Hydra
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Shana's tone became patronizing.
- Personal, "Personal opinion", you said ? personal opinions are for indeps. How can we believe your faction actually control these people you openly dismiss in front of this council, while they have the same rank as yours Justice Dace ? On a pure ideological level what she said is unacceptable for us and the simple fact this this thought evaded openly in the middle of a council to be disapproved so quickly is either a possible proof of either blatant hypocrisy or lack of discipline within your ranks, and this is an issue you should investigate for the sake of the public image of the Triad.
As for our "hostility", I personally treated and listened to your complaints about the situation that occurred in front of the barracks, you took an action from your pure initiative while we never called for it as we had the situation under control. You should have sent us a message beforehand as a courtesy because you are our allies and we would have accepted your offer should the situation required it. If another faction did this we would have sent them away for the same reasons and even declined their offer. I hope you understand this wasn't outright hostility, but rather a matter of protocol, if we accepted an uncalled deployment from your forces, who knows when another faction is going to deploy their forces to "help us" because we are currently dealing with their rivals, this cannot work that way.
- Personal, "Personal opinion", you said ? personal opinions are for indeps. How can we believe your faction actually control these people you openly dismiss in front of this council, while they have the same rank as yours Justice Dace ? On a pure ideological level what she said is unacceptable for us and the simple fact this this thought evaded openly in the middle of a council to be disapproved so quickly is either a possible proof of either blatant hypocrisy or lack of discipline within your ranks, and this is an issue you should investigate for the sake of the public image of the Triad.
As for our "hostility", I personally treated and listened to your complaints about the situation that occurred in front of the barracks, you took an action from your pure initiative while we never called for it as we had the situation under control. You should have sent us a message beforehand as a courtesy because you are our allies and we would have accepted your offer should the situation required it. If another faction did this we would have sent them away for the same reasons and even declined their offer. I hope you understand this wasn't outright hostility, but rather a matter of protocol, if we accepted an uncalled deployment from your forces, who knows when another faction is going to deploy their forces to "help us" because we are currently dealing with their rivals, this cannot work that way.
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*DarkArc
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"Well I apologize that my subordinates are not as mindless as you are. Justice Merium Pinklily is entitled to her personal views as a sentient being, unless you are suggesting that we all be as programmed as the monodrons. So long as she follows her oath, she can think whatever she wants. She can think primal moons are made of cheese for all I care. It is what she does that matters, not what she thinks. The only person I would see openly dismissed right now is you. As it stands you have derailed this discussion with your ranting and have not contributed to this discussion in any small way other than your antagonistic behavior."
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*Hydra
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- I thought these matters needed to be brought up for clarification and better understanding, how conflictual this may eventually be. I will let my superiors decide whatever they deem good for the Hive, the place of my birth, because I've an unconditional trust in them. We aren't mindless monodrons as you imply, we simply respect hierarchy and discipline because we believe in harmony, this is why our factol do say WE are always right.
She inclined her head politely, and sat back implying she had nothing else to add for the moment.
She inclined her head politely, and sat back implying she had nothing else to add for the moment.
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*MimiFearthegn
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Since the issues which he had been interested in discussing was broached, Arwyl Swan's Son finally spoke up:
"'Lack of Discipline'? The same accusation could be levied against your faction, Notary, unless your fellows would all indeed like to be judged based on your words alone.
"Within the Mercykillers, as between the Triad of Law itself, there are differences of opinion on how to best punish the guilty.
"We remain cohesive, however, because we make our decisions based on the law. I believe this same principle can be applied to relations between the Triad factions. What is needed is greater communication, and most importantly a commitment to cooperation, instead of focusing solely on the differences between our factions. The differences between us and our enemies are far greater, and we will have the luxury to argue about different interpretations of the law in the multiverse when Sigil is a lawful place. Until then, we must be united in the cause of making it so.
"Justice Pinklily was requested to be here - as I am - to discuss the issue which the Notary brings up as an accusation: namely, that an authorized unit of Mercykillers, standing in the neutral territory of the Lady's Ward, was publicly reprimanded and told to disperse by an agent of the Harmonium.
"Needless to say, this action was touted by the enemies of law as 'proof' that the Triad is weak. This comes just as the political situation in the city becomes more tenuous, as the chaotic factions grow in strength. We cannot show weakness.
"This suggestion of a 'Temple of Law' is a good one, if the representatives will all be guaranteed to be committed to cooperation. . ."
His finished as he started, mainly looking pointedly in the direction of Shana.
"'Lack of Discipline'? The same accusation could be levied against your faction, Notary, unless your fellows would all indeed like to be judged based on your words alone.
"Within the Mercykillers, as between the Triad of Law itself, there are differences of opinion on how to best punish the guilty.
"We remain cohesive, however, because we make our decisions based on the law. I believe this same principle can be applied to relations between the Triad factions. What is needed is greater communication, and most importantly a commitment to cooperation, instead of focusing solely on the differences between our factions. The differences between us and our enemies are far greater, and we will have the luxury to argue about different interpretations of the law in the multiverse when Sigil is a lawful place. Until then, we must be united in the cause of making it so.
"Justice Pinklily was requested to be here - as I am - to discuss the issue which the Notary brings up as an accusation: namely, that an authorized unit of Mercykillers, standing in the neutral territory of the Lady's Ward, was publicly reprimanded and told to disperse by an agent of the Harmonium.
"Needless to say, this action was touted by the enemies of law as 'proof' that the Triad is weak. This comes just as the political situation in the city becomes more tenuous, as the chaotic factions grow in strength. We cannot show weakness.
"This suggestion of a 'Temple of Law' is a good one, if the representatives will all be guaranteed to be committed to cooperation. . ."
His finished as he started, mainly looking pointedly in the direction of Shana.
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*Plaxy100
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What I say is the pure you punish and remove those fester chaos in the universe. It has nothing to do with harming innocence. If there innocent they get out of the way Otherwise they are no longer innocent when aiding the chaotic element. I think your confusing what is good and evil rather than what is law.
((Can't post fast enough without 3 post before this was directed earlier at shana remarks.))
((Can't post fast enough without 3 post before this was directed earlier at shana remarks.))
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*Viper901
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I can pretty much guarantee that we don't have the manpower to have every patrol built of 3 - 6 people including a field judge. We'd spread ourselves too thin trying to compensate. If something like this was to actually work, they would have to be specific units that were dispatched in specific areas. It couldn't encompass all. We have enough work in the courts as it is without losing a large number of court clerks to patrol duty.