OOC: The Trial OOC chatter

[*Ceremorph]

And, once again, i remind, that on the server, we treat levels as roughly half of what they really are for RP purposes... you are not more powerful than gods. So, we can allow ourselves NPCs that are twice your level or more.

At least two of the factols have forty or more character levels in SCoD. Just in case you were wondering.

[*Mr_Otyugh]

Other DMs were made aware, yes. Some people sent things in directly to the Fraternity, and some to the Harmonium. I don't remember which DM took them on the Fraternity side anymore, though.

Liquid Dreamer received them I believe

[*Ravel's Heart]

To note it, Isendis had multiple copies of both stones sent in, the Fraternity of Order has a copy of both, and the Harmonium had a copy of both. So yes, it would still exist as evidence. He anticipated this sort of scenario.

I need to ask... which DM's were aware of all the copies made and who had them? Coming up with great ideas after the fact is neat and all... but it needs to be made aware up front... not later.

I made Isendis' stone (which he actually has as an inventory item in game.) He has at least two copies of it. It is a transcript of his log of their exchange cut and pasted into the item description. If you like, I can cut and paste a copy of that item into the "court record".

I do not know which DMs he subsequently passed it to, nor do I know about any other stones.

Isendis had these made either the day the incident occurred or the day after, so they are not after the fact, and they do exist as in-game artifacts.

--R

[*Darkrob]

Well if the Fraternity has been given them for "this" trial, and not the last trial, and were given them before it started (not simply from a bystander in the gallery) then they're golden.

We just need to verify that is the case.

Other than that, I'll have some questions (hopfully) today and then we can move on.

[*Sareth675]

New evidence can be presented in trials to back up cases, an investigation doesn't stop just because the suspect is in custody or at the stand. I imagine if the stones aren't present in the list of evidence at the start of the trial, then people involved would hand them over. I have a copy of the first stone In game as Ravel says, and I am aware Shadowblizmasta is RPing having made the other one, I and I'm pretty sure others have a copy of the second stone.

[*Darkrob]

I'm not arguing that they technically "can't" be added after the start, I'm saying that the Defence has a big problem with them being added (after the huge fiasco with outsiders interrupting in the past) and the fact that they have simply come from an unknown bystander with no official connection to the case.

If the Judge wants to admit them, I'm good with that, and will attack the evidence in an RP fashion.

No biggie :)

[*Reptiller]

New evidence can be presented in trials to back up cases, an investigation doesn't stop just because the suspect is in custody or at the stand. I imagine if the stones aren't present in the list of evidence at the start of the trial, then people involved would hand them over. I have a copy of the first stone In game as Ravel says, and I am aware Shadowblizmasta is RPing having made the other one, I and I'm pretty sure others have a copy of the second stone.

Actually not very true in case of a forum trial like this one, seeing how forum lag is terrible this case. I honestly could add like, >9000 written testimonies of various folks through these 2 weeks to get Hildmor free but I didn't...because, well, that's meta.

Besides, Cratten was the investigator for it. Now, there's no investigation and just the prosecution on the current evidence and witnesses. As Darkrob says, spectators cannot add to investigation or defense.

[*Agony_Aunt]

Some people seem to have very strange ideas how the law works in Sigil...

[*Darkrob]

To note it, Isendis had multiple copies of both stones sent in, the Fraternity of Order has a copy of both, and the Harmonium had a copy of both. So yes, it would still exist as evidence. He anticipated this sort of scenario.

I need to ask... which DM's were aware of all the copies made and who had them? Coming up with great ideas after the fact is neat and all... but it needs to be made aware up front... not later.

[*Darkrob]

Also, and I don't mean to sound pissy (I really don't! I'm actually a real nice guy in RL!!) but it is getting harder and harder to take the court seriously as it permits the constant interruptions and unsanctioned ineterefernce by people not directly involved in the trial. Constant notes from spectators, people coming in and overruling the judge, constant instructional changes, etc. We need to keep on the original course and stay on track. If we continually allow anyone with a thought or idea to interrupt... this will go on forever. I can't be forced to come up with a new defence everytime someone wants to jump in. It's not easy to come up with the stuff I write. I'm usually not this devious!! :D