Good Aligned Characters
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*Embersworn
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Yeah.
Woo and bang this Erinye into stopping what evil she's doing. For the cause!
Bonus points because you managed to avoid any actual violence.
Though keeping a Baatorian satisfied still might require some serious violence in bed.
But that's okay because it's with consent!
But on a level 1 you'd have to start with goblins first...
...might be a rough way.
Woo and bang this Erinye into stopping what evil she's doing. For the cause!
Bonus points because you managed to avoid any actual violence.
Though keeping a Baatorian satisfied still might require some serious violence in bed.
But that's okay because it's with consent!
But on a level 1 you'd have to start with goblins first...
...might be a rough way.
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*Strawberry Jam
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I don't see how this conversation can continue going in circles when the lore and the very system presents opposing examples of extremely strict moral objectivity like moral absolutism of how an alignment must behave.
You need only look at good aligned fey out of the many examples. They tend to occupy NG and CG alignments while they are often described as selfish, uncaring, unhelpful, capricious, and dishonest. The d&d lore often describes situations that end very badly for humanoids resulting in death for stupid things like the miller's daughter didn't come to play as promised.
They still occupy the good spectrum with that kind of behavior and you can't explain it or reconcile it with the road some ppl in this thread are trying to go down.
As for sexual subjects ... at least one official setting creator has frequently addressed the issue. According to Ed Greenwood all varieties of LGBT are common without prejudice in the Forgotten Realms. I'm sure if they were pressed the Planescape designers would also agree with this point of view.
Neither is it realistic to hold a game world to extreme Christian values right out of the crusades. I think if it comes to a point where you are offending ppl OOC with rp and an excuse "it's just a game" you should calm down and ask yourself exactly what kind of game you're playing with them. A game isn't a platform to push extreme real world political or religious views which is why most MMOs have it banned in their license agreement.
You need only look at good aligned fey out of the many examples. They tend to occupy NG and CG alignments while they are often described as selfish, uncaring, unhelpful, capricious, and dishonest. The d&d lore often describes situations that end very badly for humanoids resulting in death for stupid things like the miller's daughter didn't come to play as promised.
They still occupy the good spectrum with that kind of behavior and you can't explain it or reconcile it with the road some ppl in this thread are trying to go down.
As for sexual subjects ... at least one official setting creator has frequently addressed the issue. According to Ed Greenwood all varieties of LGBT are common without prejudice in the Forgotten Realms. I'm sure if they were pressed the Planescape designers would also agree with this point of view.
Neither is it realistic to hold a game world to extreme Christian values right out of the crusades. I think if it comes to a point where you are offending ppl OOC with rp and an excuse "it's just a game" you should calm down and ask yourself exactly what kind of game you're playing with them. A game isn't a platform to push extreme real world political or religious views which is why most MMOs have it banned in their license agreement.
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*Embersworn
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Considering that all D&D worlds are buit with explicitly polytheistic religions with a very Greco-Roman mindset where technically all gods are supposed to be shown at least modicum of respect even if you don't worship them as personal patrons or you fight their worshippers...
... basing anything about Abrahamic values it's extremely hard in this continuity.
Greeks didn't gladly worship Ares or paid more than a frightened respect to him, as he was considered more a necessary and dangerous force of nature than a deity you'd really call for help on a regular basis, yet he still was a recognised god to them.
... basing anything about Abrahamic values it's extremely hard in this continuity.
Greeks didn't gladly worship Ares or paid more than a frightened respect to him, as he was considered more a necessary and dangerous force of nature than a deity you'd really call for help on a regular basis, yet he still was a recognised god to them.
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*Hydra
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Except it doesn't. Everyone knows that paladin while they are annoying are quite trustworthy and will not let bad things happen on their watch, but it is as being tolerant even towards creature of pure evil is more valued than anything else and that's just a demonstration of people meddling real life values in their game and doing a terrible job at being in character or playing one that does make any sense. I got a character called a "racist" once for saying fiends were evil and bad, it's like saying a cancerous cell deserve to be respected because it's a beautiful snowflake that has feelings ?wrote:PS. Also yes, good aligned do get a load of flak. Try playing a paladin whom actually has standards and not get called worse than 80% of the fiends around you. It gets quite amusing, real quick.
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*edmaster44
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A racist!? What is this? SJW Sigil? That's bloody funny....Hydra,Oct 30 2016 wrote:Except it doesn't. Everyone knows that paladin while they are annoying are quite trustworthy and will not let bad things happen on their watch, but it is as being tolerant even towards creature of pure evil is more valued than anything else and that's just a demonstration of people meddling real life values in their game and doing a terrible job at being in character or playing a character that does make any sense. I got a character called a "racist" once for saying fiends were evil and bad, it's like saying a cancerous cell deserve to be respected because it's a beautiful snowflake that has feelings ?wrote:PS. Also yes, good aligned do get a load of flak. Try playing a paladin whom actually has standards and not get called worse than 80% of the fiends around you. It gets quite amusing, real quick.
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*Hydra
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That was a rare occurrence fortunately, don't get wrong ideas, but it's definitely the extreme of a trend. It's like if the new definition of good is being tolerant and nice, rather than helpful, caring and honest, aka more about appearing as good rather than truly acting as such and alignments have always been about actions rather than intents.Mander,Oct 30 2016 wrote:wrote:I got a character called a "racist" once for saying fiends were evil and bad
Some of the people on this server make it so hard to feel like you're playing in the planescape setting...
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*Sinlinara
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@Mander, that made me laugh for longer than it had any right to. XD
From a personal perspective I try to play Aleis as a character who is more interested in a character's motivation than what their alignment is while also keeping the reality of planar beings relevant.
What motivates a person should generally be the more relevant to each individual person, but planar beings also muddy the water a bit. If your average every day Tiefling Hardhead goes around giving you a hard time, generally the most relevant thing to this is that they are a Hardhead. The matter changes a bit if the Hardhead in question is a Celestial or Fiend, but only in how the Hardhead is going to be regarded.
The realities of the planes should remain relevant, but they're not always the most relevant things. It all just depends on the situation and the ever-shifting perceptions of those involved.
From a personal perspective I try to play Aleis as a character who is more interested in a character's motivation than what their alignment is while also keeping the reality of planar beings relevant.
What motivates a person should generally be the more relevant to each individual person, but planar beings also muddy the water a bit. If your average every day Tiefling Hardhead goes around giving you a hard time, generally the most relevant thing to this is that they are a Hardhead. The matter changes a bit if the Hardhead in question is a Celestial or Fiend, but only in how the Hardhead is going to be regarded.
The realities of the planes should remain relevant, but they're not always the most relevant things. It all just depends on the situation and the ever-shifting perceptions of those involved.
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*Mander
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"Case number 647993872902768574, it says here in the court documents you found a loophole in your diabolic contract and masterfully outplayed your patron. The contract is therefore void. However, afterwards you called your patron a "soul sucking hellspawn". This is hate speech, so you are hereby damned to the pit of eternal fire. Have a pleasant eternity."
