"Narissa, sitting on the second front row lets out a slight smirk watching the faction members argueing, then mumbles for herself silently";
-Well well...Seems the "game" have become visable for al to see... Oh the political corruption for power...Most interesting this will turn out in the end...The S 'jet will watch closely...
Speech In The Hall Of Speakers
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*Krayt
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Having been standing in the back whilst listening to the speeches Mauric makes his way closer to the podium stopping Midway to it. Ignoring the Halflings call as well as any Doomguard superior that might be present.
"There is no reason what so ever to not deny the triad access to our bastions of beliefs. If there is philosphy without the authority to extract it unpolluted by the opposing philosophy then it mean nothing. We hear the daily tiresome chant of terrorism and criminals taking advantage of any restrictions placed on the triad. The only benefit of this will be in the hands of the triad leaving the rest of us at a loss, no they must be restrained like the rest of us. It is evident that their trust for us at nill, expecting us to harbour criminals and even collaps into anarchy. Ask yourselves this, do tehy truely believe their own words or is this merely a constructed pretext to keep their power? I would take this even further and propose that each faction may stipulate their own laws within their main stronghold only without bonds can our philosophy grow and we fully explore the depth of thoughts. Your duty are not to law nor order it is to your philosophy which are at risk for all but those holding the reins of Power. All they would need without this restaint is a false claim and they can crack open your deepest secrets. That cannot be allowed on the basis of complacency."
The dark clad man paused before rasing a accusing righthand finger pointed at the largest cluster of guvners he can single out among the crowd.
"What does the law currently say about intrusion into another factions stronghold? The full clause without omissions please ladies and gentlemen."
"There is no reason what so ever to not deny the triad access to our bastions of beliefs. If there is philosphy without the authority to extract it unpolluted by the opposing philosophy then it mean nothing. We hear the daily tiresome chant of terrorism and criminals taking advantage of any restrictions placed on the triad. The only benefit of this will be in the hands of the triad leaving the rest of us at a loss, no they must be restrained like the rest of us. It is evident that their trust for us at nill, expecting us to harbour criminals and even collaps into anarchy. Ask yourselves this, do tehy truely believe their own words or is this merely a constructed pretext to keep their power? I would take this even further and propose that each faction may stipulate their own laws within their main stronghold only without bonds can our philosophy grow and we fully explore the depth of thoughts. Your duty are not to law nor order it is to your philosophy which are at risk for all but those holding the reins of Power. All they would need without this restaint is a false claim and they can crack open your deepest secrets. That cannot be allowed on the basis of complacency."
The dark clad man paused before rasing a accusing righthand finger pointed at the largest cluster of guvners he can single out among the crowd.
"What does the law currently say about intrusion into another factions stronghold? The full clause without omissions please ladies and gentlemen."
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*Darkrob
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While certainly not acting for the entire Faction, Garen simply ignores the Sinker... not even bothering to look at him during his outburst. He simply takes notes and, for all intents and purposes, doesn't acknowledge the demand in the slightest.
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*Midnight
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Emila waits and hearing no answer from The Fraternity benches and seeing introductions are done Emila stands again.
"I would like to offer my commiserations to The representative from The Doomguard. It would appear that if The Triad know the answer to his question they will not answer. In the interest of debate however I will focus on the things that are said as opposed to the things that aren't.
"When asked about the recent crisis the representative from The Mercykillers is very quick to try to shy away from any responsibility. It is all the fault of The Harmonium and The Fraternity of Order. Instead of trying to find a constructive solution The Triad, if they can even be called such in light of this are bickering and blaming each other. I am sure I do not need to remind the esteemed representatives of this hall that such accusations are not a private aside, they are a public statement made by a senior Faction member. Since such mistrust and animosity have found the way to the senior members of these Factions there is no question that they cannot act effectively. They cannot be trusted to behave professionally with their own so called allies, they can certainly not be trusted to behave professionally with the rest of us. They should not be granted authority over the headquaters of other Factions."
She turns to where the Mercykillers sit.
"You ask what happens if a crime is committed on a Faction's headquaters by one of its members and in your next breath you tell us how The Mercykillers police themselves. Allow us the same freedom. Allow us to do the Justice that The Triad is incapable of delivering us."
She clears her throat, The Dustman's eyes scan the faces on The seats occupied by the Mercykillers.
"I have something I would like to put to The Red Death directly. I always hear members of your faction claim they are restricted in what they do by the other two Faction's of the Triad. Perhaps you are right, perhaps the recent crisis would have been solved if the Mercykillers had more freedom. This vote can be the start of that. It sees more individual autonomy for all the Factions, but you won't get this chance again. Show courage, show vision and join us. Take the first step to being able to dispense justice as you, and not the Guvners and the Hardheads see fit, or fail and see yourselves shackled to the very people who just moments ago you publicly decried for being at fault for the greatest crisis the Cage has seen since the great upheaval."
Her speech made Emila sits back down.
"I would like to offer my commiserations to The representative from The Doomguard. It would appear that if The Triad know the answer to his question they will not answer. In the interest of debate however I will focus on the things that are said as opposed to the things that aren't.
"When asked about the recent crisis the representative from The Mercykillers is very quick to try to shy away from any responsibility. It is all the fault of The Harmonium and The Fraternity of Order. Instead of trying to find a constructive solution The Triad, if they can even be called such in light of this are bickering and blaming each other. I am sure I do not need to remind the esteemed representatives of this hall that such accusations are not a private aside, they are a public statement made by a senior Faction member. Since such mistrust and animosity have found the way to the senior members of these Factions there is no question that they cannot act effectively. They cannot be trusted to behave professionally with their own so called allies, they can certainly not be trusted to behave professionally with the rest of us. They should not be granted authority over the headquaters of other Factions."
She turns to where the Mercykillers sit.
"You ask what happens if a crime is committed on a Faction's headquaters by one of its members and in your next breath you tell us how The Mercykillers police themselves. Allow us the same freedom. Allow us to do the Justice that The Triad is incapable of delivering us."
She clears her throat, The Dustman's eyes scan the faces on The seats occupied by the Mercykillers.
"I have something I would like to put to The Red Death directly. I always hear members of your faction claim they are restricted in what they do by the other two Faction's of the Triad. Perhaps you are right, perhaps the recent crisis would have been solved if the Mercykillers had more freedom. This vote can be the start of that. It sees more individual autonomy for all the Factions, but you won't get this chance again. Show courage, show vision and join us. Take the first step to being able to dispense justice as you, and not the Guvners and the Hardheads see fit, or fail and see yourselves shackled to the very people who just moments ago you publicly decried for being at fault for the greatest crisis the Cage has seen since the great upheaval."
Her speech made Emila sits back down.
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*Hydra
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After her long speech, Kala sat and listened quietly, not seeming to show any sign of nervosity, as the word flowed she took notes, seeming to be even more detached from the situation. After Emelia finished, she nodded and raised on her feet, smiling faintly before she addressed the court.
- I do understand the concerns of the triad about the restriction of their activities, but the Triad also has to understand that factions do have bases and lands outside of Sigil where they maintain their own law. Thus saying that faction halls would be lawless is an absurdity. We didn't waited for the Triad of law's existence to start living in communities according to our philosophies.
However, we aren't here to challenge the Triad as law makers and protectors. Keeping order is your role and we are ready to assist you, as you defend the laws we voted. We simply want to make sure to have more autonomy and not fear to have our security and our private propriety put into jeopardy because of another invasion like this, or overzealous law enforcers. However, as Scamp of the Sensates suggested we could simply change it into a polite recommendation, and hope for the best, but as I said earlier we cannot just rely on promises, we wish something concrete, we wish more autonomy and rights to protect our own interests as long we respect the laws of Sigil. We are voting these laws after all, and it is obvious that any faction hiding criminals that haven't been judged is committing a political suicide by not actively collaborating with the Triad to get them arrested.
She then looked at Charae
- Factor, with all the respect I do have for you, I'm afraid the third point isn't as irrelevant as you may think, as I've heard your faction is using prospective recruits to investigate matters in the mortuary instead simply asking the Dustmen for their assistance. The Harmonium also used to have a lot of "private detectives" holding on a badge longer than they should have and abusing it on several occasions. We need a proper way to legislate in that matter to make the frontiers less blurry, while still allowing you to properly do your job and keep your potential helpers unexploited and unofficial harmonium informants safe.
For my fourth point, there's some relevance in making the banner war less prevalent in the middle of the bazaar, but it is up to the indeps to decide whatever they wish to forbid other faction to wave their banners there. I wish to clarify that I mentioned Khaazeet bar as an example, but now we have members perfectly respect the limit between duty and off-duty others don't, and simply chose to stand in any inn or bar in full armor with drinks. People do not want law enforcement standing close to them in uniform without a good reason, blurring the line between the official and the non-official. How is an officer credible if he's drinking alcohol before jumping out of his chair to make an arrest ?
She then turned to the assembly, looking in the harmonium's direction, briefly crossing the gaze of a woman who looked quite similar to her, but this didn't seemed to affect her.
- Honorable members of the Harmonium, Factol Sarin. Before this speech, I had a talk with the Guvners and they proposed a... "moderate solution" that the Factor Ra'zeth mentioned, and I can confirm his words : it involved the right to give their legal approval for you to conduct any investigation in any faction building, de-facto taking a prerogative away from you for their own benefit. Now, we also have the mercykillers actually distancing themselves from you, as the Factor Charae said “In truth, it was the Harmonium and the Guvners that led to this situation happening.” Then she asks for more power and control over your activities. Is this really how you want The Triad of Law to be ? People pulling strings to their benefit instead of working for a common interest ?
I wish to remind you, that never this bill was intended to be anti-triad, but rather pro-autonomy for the other factions, we wish to work with you, but we have to renegotiate the terms and the frame in which this will be happening, accusing us of willing to create chaos isn't reasonable at all.
- I do understand the concerns of the triad about the restriction of their activities, but the Triad also has to understand that factions do have bases and lands outside of Sigil where they maintain their own law. Thus saying that faction halls would be lawless is an absurdity. We didn't waited for the Triad of law's existence to start living in communities according to our philosophies.
However, we aren't here to challenge the Triad as law makers and protectors. Keeping order is your role and we are ready to assist you, as you defend the laws we voted. We simply want to make sure to have more autonomy and not fear to have our security and our private propriety put into jeopardy because of another invasion like this, or overzealous law enforcers. However, as Scamp of the Sensates suggested we could simply change it into a polite recommendation, and hope for the best, but as I said earlier we cannot just rely on promises, we wish something concrete, we wish more autonomy and rights to protect our own interests as long we respect the laws of Sigil. We are voting these laws after all, and it is obvious that any faction hiding criminals that haven't been judged is committing a political suicide by not actively collaborating with the Triad to get them arrested.
She then looked at Charae
- Factor, with all the respect I do have for you, I'm afraid the third point isn't as irrelevant as you may think, as I've heard your faction is using prospective recruits to investigate matters in the mortuary instead simply asking the Dustmen for their assistance. The Harmonium also used to have a lot of "private detectives" holding on a badge longer than they should have and abusing it on several occasions. We need a proper way to legislate in that matter to make the frontiers less blurry, while still allowing you to properly do your job and keep your potential helpers unexploited and unofficial harmonium informants safe.
For my fourth point, there's some relevance in making the banner war less prevalent in the middle of the bazaar, but it is up to the indeps to decide whatever they wish to forbid other faction to wave their banners there. I wish to clarify that I mentioned Khaazeet bar as an example, but now we have members perfectly respect the limit between duty and off-duty others don't, and simply chose to stand in any inn or bar in full armor with drinks. People do not want law enforcement standing close to them in uniform without a good reason, blurring the line between the official and the non-official. How is an officer credible if he's drinking alcohol before jumping out of his chair to make an arrest ?
She then turned to the assembly, looking in the harmonium's direction, briefly crossing the gaze of a woman who looked quite similar to her, but this didn't seemed to affect her.
- Honorable members of the Harmonium, Factol Sarin. Before this speech, I had a talk with the Guvners and they proposed a... "moderate solution" that the Factor Ra'zeth mentioned, and I can confirm his words : it involved the right to give their legal approval for you to conduct any investigation in any faction building, de-facto taking a prerogative away from you for their own benefit. Now, we also have the mercykillers actually distancing themselves from you, as the Factor Charae said “In truth, it was the Harmonium and the Guvners that led to this situation happening.” Then she asks for more power and control over your activities. Is this really how you want The Triad of Law to be ? People pulling strings to their benefit instead of working for a common interest ?
I wish to remind you, that never this bill was intended to be anti-triad, but rather pro-autonomy for the other factions, we wish to work with you, but we have to renegotiate the terms and the frame in which this will be happening, accusing us of willing to create chaos isn't reasonable at all.
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*Darkrob
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Garen stands and speaks, keeping it short
"A different set of rules for 15 differing locations is akin to social Chaos... and don't delude yourselves, contrary to the Dustman... the Revolutionary League is a faction... they simply refuse to admit it or cooperate... hence their banishment from this hall. Under the Lady's decree of only permitting fifteen, they are one of the fifteen. This law, under the courts and her officers, would protect them from prosecution. The city, and all her citizens, would be at their mercy. Also understand, if we cannot enter to do the job we are tasked with, in protecting this city... you cannot expect us to enter to protect you should the worst befall you inside your personal fortresses. The Triad will not be able to protect you for incidents done inside the walls. Another faction member kills one, or several or many scores, of their mates inside? Your halls infested by a maleficent outside force? You find yourselves under assault from rifts forming within? We cannot investigate nor can we aid you. Within your walls, for better or for worse, you will be alone and without our protection. You will have to throw your own lives at that which assails you instead of the Triad dying for you. Simply remember that."
He then sits
"A different set of rules for 15 differing locations is akin to social Chaos... and don't delude yourselves, contrary to the Dustman... the Revolutionary League is a faction... they simply refuse to admit it or cooperate... hence their banishment from this hall. Under the Lady's decree of only permitting fifteen, they are one of the fifteen. This law, under the courts and her officers, would protect them from prosecution. The city, and all her citizens, would be at their mercy. Also understand, if we cannot enter to do the job we are tasked with, in protecting this city... you cannot expect us to enter to protect you should the worst befall you inside your personal fortresses. The Triad will not be able to protect you for incidents done inside the walls. Another faction member kills one, or several or many scores, of their mates inside? Your halls infested by a maleficent outside force? You find yourselves under assault from rifts forming within? We cannot investigate nor can we aid you. Within your walls, for better or for worse, you will be alone and without our protection. You will have to throw your own lives at that which assails you instead of the Triad dying for you. Simply remember that."
He then sits
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*Selebius
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The construct is scribbling busy and as Sarin is adressed he looks up, his eyes in the speaking Godsman Factor, his face hard to read. He stays silent for now- the Mercykillers on the other hand are moving, talking among themselves.
((just keep it coming guys- reading this but staying out as you guys do very well without NPCs....))
((just keep it coming guys- reading this but staying out as you guys do very well without NPCs....))
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*Anthropomorphic Drama
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Scamp takes a deep breath as he listens to the on going conversation, waiting for an opportune time to get up and speak on behalf of the Society of Sensation once more.
Although I do have actual point to also make, I begin instead with a notion that the speaker Kala may have misapprehended my meaning of diplomacy. As I had pointed out, I am under impression that all factions already have the capability to govern their own faction headquarters and choose whom to allow enter. Be they of the Triad of Law or not... in this the diplomacy is pertinent as the alternative is an act of hostilities or worse. Diplomacy I also hereby define as a communication of terms in the absence of conflict, as in how long they are welcome, what is required for them to be welcome or to what extent the proposed assistance is accepted.
And I say this following without the proper decisive authority of the Society of Sensation; but we already choose which visitors are allowed and will use force to remove those we deem undesirable, if necessary, again be they of Triad of Law or any other organization or the lack of such thereoff.
Now I do understand the next argument for something such as this will be to point out the sheer might of the Triad if fully mobilized into action, but the counter argument to such is fairly obvious. All of our factions should ensure the security of our own region properly, this is especially so in the motion proposed by the Godsmen speaker, Kala. After all, how can we expect ourselves to keep things safe if we can't do it already...
He mumbles again that he's under impression that was already the case, but doesn't invest enough to recap it too audibly. Before properly addressing those around, but for those observant can see it's mainly aimed at Garens latest addition.
Believing that such will bring issues criminally speaking, yet somehow had worked for centuries just fine and continues to do so all around the planes in each of our factions respective territories... taking a pause to let it sink in before continuing Would worse come to the worst, we all know someone whom to call for allies to request some assist from, incentives to keep good relations with at least a couple of factions with mutual feelings. And I'm certain the Triad will not cast aside a chance to do what they feel is impertinent to be done.
With that said he takes his seat once more, and discussed with the other Sensates in hushed volume and listened on.
Although I do have actual point to also make, I begin instead with a notion that the speaker Kala may have misapprehended my meaning of diplomacy. As I had pointed out, I am under impression that all factions already have the capability to govern their own faction headquarters and choose whom to allow enter. Be they of the Triad of Law or not... in this the diplomacy is pertinent as the alternative is an act of hostilities or worse. Diplomacy I also hereby define as a communication of terms in the absence of conflict, as in how long they are welcome, what is required for them to be welcome or to what extent the proposed assistance is accepted.
And I say this following without the proper decisive authority of the Society of Sensation; but we already choose which visitors are allowed and will use force to remove those we deem undesirable, if necessary, again be they of Triad of Law or any other organization or the lack of such thereoff.
Now I do understand the next argument for something such as this will be to point out the sheer might of the Triad if fully mobilized into action, but the counter argument to such is fairly obvious. All of our factions should ensure the security of our own region properly, this is especially so in the motion proposed by the Godsmen speaker, Kala. After all, how can we expect ourselves to keep things safe if we can't do it already...
He mumbles again that he's under impression that was already the case, but doesn't invest enough to recap it too audibly. Before properly addressing those around, but for those observant can see it's mainly aimed at Garens latest addition.
Believing that such will bring issues criminally speaking, yet somehow had worked for centuries just fine and continues to do so all around the planes in each of our factions respective territories... taking a pause to let it sink in before continuing Would worse come to the worst, we all know someone whom to call for allies to request some assist from, incentives to keep good relations with at least a couple of factions with mutual feelings. And I'm certain the Triad will not cast aside a chance to do what they feel is impertinent to be done.
With that said he takes his seat once more, and discussed with the other Sensates in hushed volume and listened on.
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*Rainbow Prism
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Listening to bickering of the speakers, Sillxhistraja bit by bit got the meaning of current discussion. Or some gist of it, at least.
Hearing no one to speak up from Fated side, she raised herself.
"With all respect to Fraternity, don't we already have that autonomy? Maybe some of us were not strong enough to show that? Perhaps Triad should increase circle of allies. And with resources in possession of certain Factions, you may consider changing name."
Small drow sat down, taking out parchment, ink and feather, starting some scribbling.
Hearing no one to speak up from Fated side, she raised herself.
"With all respect to Fraternity, don't we already have that autonomy? Maybe some of us were not strong enough to show that? Perhaps Triad should increase circle of allies. And with resources in possession of certain Factions, you may consider changing name."
Small drow sat down, taking out parchment, ink and feather, starting some scribbling.