Rebuilding Answers

[*Mr_Otyugh]

The thing with the frost giants is that they are almost always a single spawn, there is a chance for a caster to come around as well, but usually you can fight them one at a time.

Mostly. The spawns a little finicky there - the first frost giant I handled without too much trouble. Then there were suddenly three at once. One of which was a frenzier, the other was the boss. The frenzier killed me before the boss even cast their first spell. :blink:

Yay for elites!

I have since learned frenziers OP. Run if encountered! XD

I was on my bard, and have picked all non-DC based spells because, well, DCs as a bard suck. So low saves aren't really gonna help me there. :rolleyes:

The point it, it's a level 12-15 area. I was level 17 and still got my ass handed to me. This... Should not be happening.

I think that's more an issue of granting enough information for players honestly about the dangers they are heading toward so they can choose on their own to not enter unprepared. Now I'm not beyond admitting that some adjustments couldn't be made to frost giants of course, but I do want to try to give them a fair chance based on the implemented weakness. They were made with the idea that there should generally be just a single one around, three at a time does definitely become a problem. But a single giant should be roughly a same challenge as a group of frost salamanders is, making them technically actually weaker against a group of players than the frost salamanders would be as they wouldn't increase in numbers unlike the salamanders do.

[*Plaxy100]

If yah want something that can power through most content here.
8 fighter for epic spear focus and bonus feats. 7 cleric with 10 stormlord yep just do it. All da casting spells and both offensive and defensive spells ya need . And 5 frenzy beserker. Put that now effectively +16 spear to good use and power attack for some mad damage. Dont worry even if you only got 30 str your ab is in the 60s after buffing. AC is in 50s spells got regen and dr, elemental damage is useless against yah. so your good for the haul. Whith some stat finangling you may be able to fit EDM if yah want. Is also good with thrown weapons when melee wont reach.

[*Neutral Zone]

Way to do a partial citation cutting out the part that says it would be a humanoid (Possibly Half-Dragon) instead of a slaad.

Ah, I didn't realize that was the intent, even with the full post there. It wasn't clear to me.

[*Plaxy100]

Ive have dominated frost giants to find they got 25 HD in levels...take that as you may.

[*rapsam2003]

If yah want something that can power through most content here.
8 fighter for epic spear focus and bonus feats.  7 cleric with 10 stormlord yep just do it.  All da casting spells and both offensive and defensive spells ya need . And 5 frenzy beserker.  Put that now effectively +16 spear to good use and power attack for some mad damage. Dont worry even if you only got 30 str your ab is in the 60s after buffing.  AC is in 50s spells got regen and dr, elemental damage is useless against yah. so your good for the haul.  Whith some stat finangling you may be able to fit EDM if yah want. Is also good with thrown weapons when melee wont reach.

Or, maybe...some of us don't want to have to do this. I think you're being facetious, but the fact that this kind of build is a thing is really rather ridiculous.

[*rapsam2003]

It didn't say 1 Cleric. I meant playing Cleric in general :P

We both know what was meant. Don't split hairs.

[*Tomekk]

It didn't say 1 Cleric. I meant playing Cleric in general :P

We both know what was meant. Don't split hairs.

Okay, then I apologize for interpreting a vague sentence wrong; doesn't justify your inquisitive behavior, so go plough it.

[*rapsam2003]

Okay, then I apologize for interpreting a vague sentence wrong; doesn't justify your inquisitive behavior, so go plough it.

Within the context of the topic "powerbuilding", everyone knows what was meant. It wasn't vague, unless you're deliberately misinterpreting it. If it ruins your fun that I'm pointing all this out... :rolleyes:

[*Tomekk]

The sentence I quoted was vague. It doesn't say 'pick 1 cleric for 2 feats', 'pick 30 cleric cause you're uncreative' or pick '1 cleric/11 FS/10 stormlord/6 movanic deva cause you're a munchkin'. You can roll a cleric as a dedicated support wherein you pick Recitation over Divine Power and so forth, without breaking the game; that's what I meant.

But if you're too busy criticizing EDM in every 2nd post you make, I can understand your mental inability to interpret it in any other manner. So please, stop derailing this just to flamebait me. (and if you could stop adding thinly veiled jabs in your posts, that'd be great)

[*Mr_Otyugh]

Yeah, I recall getting mauled by a frost giant with +38 AB the first time I went to the Plane of Ice (And it wasn't even a boss). That's an epic level AB. It should not have that much...

There are plenty of other examples to be given, really.

The thing with the frost giants is that they are almost always a single spawn, there is a chance for a caster to come around as well, but usually you can fight them one at a time. Another thing they have is lowered will save, so they are particularly vulnerable to mind-affecting things. So yes, they are dangerous when fighting against them with blunt force vs blunt force, but you can disable them fairly easily. Which is kind of what I'd hope more spawns to be like.