Natural Weapon Size

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*Whitefly
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Posted by *Whitefly »


Hey guys :3

I recently rejoined the server after a long, long hiatus, of several years o.o;

I made a wereratty and I just worked out how to get a creature weapon (Wererat Bite) from the Claws Fangerson guy, but the Wererat Bite is a medium sized weapon which doesn't gain benefit from Weapon Finesse. Is that right? It seems like a natural weapon should benefit from that feat, and being a wererat I'm strongly incentivised to use dexterity.

Thanks for any assistance ^^;
*Mick64
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Posted by *Mick64 »


*Mr_Otyugh
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Posted by *Mr_Otyugh »


Weapon finesse is divorced from weapon size, it's a custom list which can't be added into.
*Alersia
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Posted by *Alersia »


Welcome back and happy holidays!

Perhaps there will be someday a work around, but at the moment its better to stick to strength-based characters with natural weapons, monks or weapons in generell.
*Whitefly
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Posted by *Whitefly »


Oh, okay, gotcha'! Guess I'll dual wield kukris then. They're small enough that you could pass them off as claws ^^;

Another weird thing, I seem to have 5/Alchemical Silver damage reduction, but the wiki says:
wrote:Damage Reduction: In hybrid and beast form, wererats have Damage Reduction 10/alchemical silver.
Any idea why that is? Was there an NPC I needed to talk to in order to set to natural lycanthrope rather than afflicted, or something like that?
*Alersia
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Posted by *Alersia »


Could be a bug. SRD20 says they are supposted to get 10 DR, but maybe it was scaled down for ECL +3.

EDIT: Just tested werewolf. They get a feat "5/DR silver" but in hybrid form they have 10/DR.

EDIT 2: Youre wrong. wererats gain 10/DR in hybrid form too.
*Whitefly
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Posted by *Whitefly »


I've definitely only been blocking 5 damage in full beast form, aren't they supposed to get the same DR?

I tested the hybrid form, it seems to get 10/alchemical silver just like you said, but I was definitely only blocking 5 damage when shapeshifted into the beast form. I seem to also have 5/alchemical silver while human, which suggests it's the 5/Alchemical Silver feat that's granting it to the polymorph as well.

p.s. Your avatar is super cute ^^;
*Altair
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Posted by *Altair »


Playing as a werewolf for some time now, I can confirm that beast shape only gets dr 5, although Monster Manual reports 10. Although beast shape also has better stats, too, so I've always seen it as an offensive shape vs a defensive shape type thing.

Also welcome back!
*Mick64
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Posted by *Mick64 »


I had made a fix for that, apparently it didn't work. I'll give it another look.
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